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corruption@barak valley
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hi guys.....just thought this could be a good way to report any "pukur churi", if we come across one and this may help preventing the same. Ok, lets not do any mud-slinging or lets avoid reporting petty corruption incidents as we have plenty of bigger ones :). Also, we might analyze the root-cause of so much of corruption and how society look at it, silchar being the context. May be we can find few statistical (statistics typically means historical data) data on how the biggies in silchar have exploited the people in valley and how we could have stopped that. Of course, we need to be honest while reporting.
Hey admin do you see any issue in keeping this thread alive ? at least, lets give a try.....right?
If "tehelka" can shake the indian politicians and can bring some changes......if "star tv" can do wonders.....we can at least, tell our guys...."hey ...we are there!!!......".....
I think we shoud make use of this media for a better communication and reporting.......but of course, not to blackmail people......
so, lets see if this thread can float up there at the top or its so heavy that it naturally sinks.....:)
And here is a link from worldbank on how to report any corruption related to worldbank projects..;)
http://wbln0018.worldbank.org/acfiu/acfiuweb.nsf/(intlinks)/CTON-5PASXR?opendocument
happy reporting........lets make our share of contribution.... ;D
cheers...
raahu ;D |
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RanaMLA
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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12/02/04 at 13:41:20 » |
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Just stop the top 5 big hands from where the money coming out for work. They devide 90% & left 10% they send for any project.Project officers get 2% from that & get 8% to working field.Contractors are hardly geting 1% & remaining 7% get Project work & public get benifit of 7% from actual money alloted.
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Didibhai
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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02/05/05 at 09:44:28 » |
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Hello everyone,
Its common knowledge how corruption is spread. Despite this, there has not been a single change in administration procedures or infrastructure. This is, of course, due to the fact that no one in power wants to change it. Would you ?
if your were making fast bucks!!! No.
I am a socialist at heart and tend to go on and on ..........on
so I'll stop here with a final note: The saying goes "where there's a will, there is way"
But here the saying is "there is a way, but there is no will"
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mon_amar
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/23/05 at 17:11:22 » |
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Hi all
This is a very interesing topic, why dont we discuss it with little experiences we gather in our everyday life?
I believe, corruption is something that begins from the grass root level, and we are the people who give away our ego to make things easy in our life. If we start rebelling, then noone can compell us.
I will tell you the funny incident,
our made servant came to my mom, telling her, Didi bhala chaul lageni, shosta. My mom asked her, koi thekia ditai, ki bepar...she told us...." amar meyer ishkoolo chaul aichhe, dupure tarare khaon dito khoriya ishkoolo dishlam, okhon ishkoolor head mastor e amarare chaul bikri korra... ;)
Just imagine, who says central govt does not do anything?? Our people do not let us to get those facilities. >:(,
After getting education we tend to leave our Barak Valley, we are selfish enough, we must accept it. jodi amara thaktam oi school area-te oder ki himmot hoto eshob korte?? I can tell you ami hotei ditam na, pari ar na pari, eishob aatkabar cheshta sure kortam. >:(
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Shankar_Chakravarti
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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Dear mon_amar,
This is a much more trickier issue ( Keats, dear, do you agree ?) ;)
From my childhood days one question is haunting me about corruption. In a under-the-table deal, who is corrupt, the giver, the taker, none, or both ? If I pay Rs.100 to the clerk in RTA office to avoid multiple trips to get my vehicle paper fast, can I say that the clerk is corrupt and I am pious? Is there any clause in IPC or CrPC or any ACT which forbids me from offering bribe and persecutes me ? Unknowingly am I adding fuel to the fire ? ::) ::)
I want to share with you one incident which has profound influence in my life. I was doing my vocational training in Hindustan Motors, Uttarpara, and staying with my friend in Calcutta. Evening time I was roaming around in Esplanade area and wanted to see a movie in Metro which is houseful. I was approached by a black marketer and that girl was whispering “ Sub, Do ka panch” (translation : Rs 5 for a Rs 2 ticket) I was struggling to decide if I can afford to spend Rs 5 from my limited allowance from father . ??? At that time a group of 2 good looking girls and 3 boys came in an ambassador car for this movie. I was unmindfully watching the car and thinking of the assembly line in HM factory where cars after cars are rolled out from the line and a man with a single key can start each and every car and drives away to the next bay. Suddenly I heard a commotion. One of the girls was protesting vehemently and shouting “ Aami black-ea cinema dekhbo naa”. Period. The boys were still undecided, they must have moved heaven and hell to get these girls out for the movie. ( during those days it was not as common as today). Ultimately, the girl snatched away the ticket from the boy, shoved it in the pocket of that black marketer ( this was a man , emaciated, sure a drug addict) and sat back in the car. I don’t know what I saw in that girl, her beauty, her youth, her determination or her principle, till today I haven’t seen any movie in black ( of course I will see the movie Black !). ;D
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mon_amar
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/24/05 at 14:19:31 » |
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Dear ShankarDa....khub bhalo laglo tomar post ta pore..
A budding twig becomes a complete, full grown tree one day. We have to start, we need to initiate....we need to let our innerself grow, identify the inner power, within everyone there is good self and a bad self. Bad self easily expresses itself, but the goodself remains supressed, .....Little little incidents in life count so much, unknowingingly they leave an impression on our character. We need to feel those little moments.
Kono ekta bindu theke shuru korte hoi....ekbar shuru hole phire dekhte hoina. Amader shobar modhye ekta shubh shakti achhe, shetar utsomukh ta khule dite hoi, keu nijei pare, keu opekkha kore shara jibon, shei utsomukh khulbe bole....karo shei opekkha ekdin purno hoi, karo mrittyu abodhi hoina...
Kintu jokhon shei utso ta khule jai..ekta notun jibon, ekta notun uddyeshho khuje pai amara...she jibon boro shundor..
Tobe amader cheshta to kortei hobe, ta nahole shudhu beche thakar mane ta hariye jai. Shei mane hin jibon katiye amra, ei amarai arekta confused and self centred generation ke jonmo di....aar koto eibhabe beche thaka? |
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didibhai
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/25/05 at 06:07:02 » |
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Glad to its revival.
Corruption manifests through :
greed & lust for money and power.
materialistic gains.
poverty
lack of accountability
within the Indian context of corruption, it breeds through greed & lust exacerbated by the lack of accountability.
Shankar da, I don't know the Indian Penal Code, but surely both the donor and the recipient are equally liable. If the IPC does not have acts to govern such crimes how could they enforce it?
In India corruption starts at the conception stage of a new born and ends on his/her funeral pyre.
Bribe to the nursing home
Bribe to the educational institutions
Bribe to get into professional institutions
Bribe to get a job
Once working-
Takes bribes to make up for all the bribes paid to date.
"Bribe till death do us apart" |
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mon_amar
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/25/05 at 18:31:28 » |
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[quote author=didibhai link=board=0011&num=1081732237&start=0#6 date=06/25/05 at 06:07:02
In India corruption starts at the conception stage of a new born and ends on his/her funeral pyre.
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[quote author=didibhai link=board=0011&num=1081732237&start=0#6 date=06/25/05 at 06:07:02]
In India corruption starts at the conception stage of a new born and ends on his/her funeral pyre.
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I do not agree that in India only it happens. It not a matter of geaographical location or caste and creed, or the fact, if we belong to 1st world, 2nd World or the 3rd World.
The matter of fact is that the more the country is developed, the more the bribery increases its level, the height of corruption goes up. And this type of corrution is the finest one called international politics..ruining and exploiting the small countries like South East Asia...look what US has done to them....these are also the top most level of corrution.
okhan kar police ricksha wala re koina "5 takha nai, te phit chhulkai de beta"...this is called grassroot level corruption
The greed and hunger for power are the inner traits of human character, and this is something Global. I do not think any penal code can help it if our values and culture and mainly we, the people do not stand against it. First we have to kill the desire for "easy money" and easy way of "making things done" within ourselves and then only we can stand against Corruption in the soceity.
Hey lets be honest!!can anyone say that in your life you never ever went on a path to make things done in an easier way and hence been a part of the corrupted mass? I cant say that. Can you?
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Keats
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/25/05 at 20:36:10 » |
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Thanks Shankar Da for remembering me.
There is something which I was reading the other day about the same topic. This is a case study which is a from the Journal Of Sustainable Development in Africa.
This is a Psychological Analysis of Corruption In Nigeria, (the most corrupt State in the World, with India trailing not far behind with the 6th rank. :(
http://www.rrojasdatabank.org/corrupt.htm
Though this is a study based in Nigeria, I guess this would also be a lot applicable to Indian Conditions.
Comments Welcome!! :) |
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didibhai
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/26/05 at 05:53:09 » |
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My dear Mon_amar,
We are talking about corruption in India and I pointed out how corruption starts and ends. I am not saying that it does not happen elsewhere in the world. But, the fact is grass root corruption affects common lives and one finds themselves strangled by it.
You are absolutely wrong in saying no penal code can help. Laws are deterents and must be enforced. Of course, people will find easy ways of making money, we live in a materialistic world. Our desires are above all.
In the 58 years of independence has any politician been punished for wrong doings. Don't tell me lack of evidence, BULL!!. sorry for the term as 'didibhai' I shouldn't use these words, but i feel very bitter of the way corruption spreads and nothing is done about it.
Of course, it carries no Shame anymore, infact its fashionable to be corrupt.
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mon_amar
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/26/05 at 14:23:41 » |
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Dear Didi bhai,
I said "I do not think any penal code can help it if our values and culture and mainly we, the people do not stand against it." Well I mean it even now, because we have the Acts against Coorruption in India, but you can see the recent scenario in our country. All the big corruption cases are transferred to CBI for investigation, then the CBI finds out the facts and the culprits after 5-6 years, then the case is put forwarded to the High Court then to Supreme Court,.....never ending sessions, political influences, the news passes from head line to running matter, to 2nd page to 3rd page and then nowhere.....and gradually we lose interest and the matter is doomed forever. We forget, as media forgets and the Government breaths a sigh of relief!!!
That is the reality. :) |
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/26/05 at 23:44:16 » |
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Hi Everybody! |
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brown_eyes
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/27/05 at 08:41:01 » |
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It is really a very thought-provoking issue started by Raahu.
I liked the posts of mon_amar and didibhai though their opinions contradict.
I agree with Shankarda when he says that both the donor and the recipient are at fault so far as bribery is concerned.
mon_amar,
You are an idealist and want to bring an attitudinal change in people by appealing to their consceince.I do appreciate that.
Some people like you and me think of changing the society by changing ourselves first.But looking at the gloomy picture that prevails in India,I think a complete overhauling of the system is needed and it might take hundreds of years.
Why?
According to me,corrupt people fall in two categories.
The first category of people are corrupt 'BY CHOICE' and the other category of people are corrupt 'UNDER COMPULSION'.
In the first category again there are two sub-categories.
(a)One group consists of the persons who are corrupt BY CHOICE to get 'easy money' as referred by you.
One of the retired teachers from G.C College,a politician,told me once ,"being honest signifies the lack of opportunity to be dishonest."He told it to be the utterence of G.B Shaw."Bujjhos ni re,aami aajke je position e aasi,etar taaka loiraam.Hoitaam jhaarudaar,ke dilo ne aamaare bundaat boliya teka.Ita aamaar jogyotaar daam.Tora jetaau kos naa kene,aami aamaar jogyotaay sob korram."
If the intelligentsia,the cream of our society, thinks like that,it is really difficult to set our society right.
(b)
And the second sub -category consists of people who are corrupt BY CHOICE to get things done easily.
Most of us fall in this category.
Consciously,we are not corrupt.We just want to facilitate things,or expedite process,be it the admission of our children,be it our job or driving license or any matter whatsoever.
We justify ourselves by saying we are not corrupt.By being a mere cog in the machine,what else can I do?
I want a well educated child,a good job,prosperity or some status in society.
That's all.I am dead against bribery but I can't help giving bribes.Are you asking the reason?
Well...it's the middle class mentality.We are least bothered about socity and more about ourselves.
Aapne baanchle baaper naam.
Now,comes the second category which consists of the unfortunate downtrodden,unprivileged ones who have no other way and are compelled to indulge in corruption to earn their living.I don't think,I need to write on it any more.
My heart bleeds for them :'(.
I really felt very bad when our maid-servant's daughter sold the rice she got in school for a much higher price to buy some other food stuff.
The society compells them to resort to corruption.The saying "obhabe swobhab noshto" really explains the reason.
This issue is a multi-faceted one.It is not only a value issue or an issue related to the punitive measures to be adopted by the Government.It has different facets
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didibhai
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Re: corruption@barak valley
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06/27/05 at 08:47:23 » |
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Dear Mon_amar
Exactly! I said “Laws are deterrents and must be enforced.” “In the 58 years of independence has any politician been punished for wrong doing’s.”
In India there is a crying need for re-structuring of institutions and distribution of power.
Talking about ‘change of mindset’. This will not be possible until and unless someone, somewhere stand against these nuisances. Since the ‘quit India movement’ there has not been one role model, agitating selflessly against misuse of funds, poor health care, roads, electricity, clean water etc. "jodi keu na ashe, tobe ekla cholo re"
But, as soon as a ‘bandh’ is announced everyone jumps either as a supporter or out of fright.
Even the media in a democratic country is not ‘free press’. Everything can be bought for a price.
It will be extremely difficult to tame India’s 1.2 billion people of multi-faceted faiths, language and tradition to unite.
It is even more difficult to tame the politicians out of ‘lucrative paapneeti’ and place them in their appropriate place of ‘selfless rajneeti’.
Brown Eyes
Where did Shankar da say " both the donor and the recipient are at fault so far as bribery is concerned."
Actually I wrote (25/6/05) a reply from his posting above "Shankar da, I don't know the Indian Penal Code, but surely both the donor and the recipient are equally liable. If the IPC does not have acts to govern such crimes how could they enforce it?"
Did I miss it?
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