Saayan Choudhury (Guest)
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Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali" ?
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09/05/01 at 20:17:20 » |
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I could be wrong. :p Your 2 cents worth please ;D |
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Haridas Datta
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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My two cents will be these two words... 'geographic location'...
These words block Silcharites' mentality in non-Bengali territory...This is true for all Bengali's living outside Bengal (East and West).....Again we both may be wrong for certain Sicharites....
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subir (Guest)
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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09/08/01 at 12:51:03 » |
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Tell me both of u, if anyone who has asked "Which community u Belong?" & u answered anything other than saying u r a Bengali. The answer definately changes when we r asked "Where r u from?". Here sometimes to avoid confusion, misconception, argument etc. we just reply we r from Assam. With that we definately do not declare ourselves non Bengalis. Plus even when the valuable two words (geographical location) r true most of the silcharites do not feel proud to say that we r Assamese.
At times the argument revolves arround the fact that only WBites are Bongs on that Silcharites retaliate & say that we r Sylhetis. |
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Himadri (Guest)
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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09/08/01 at 23:23:09 » |
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That's the whole point.When asked just like that, I think most Silcharites would say that they are Bengali.If the discussion goes deeper then that, then only the layers are peeled and the subtleties and the intricacies would come to the fore but essentially I don't think any Silcharite would deny being a Bengali.Do not forget that Silchar has the sad but proud distinction of having sacrificed eleven lives for the sake of the Bengali language.Its not about being one with the mainstream Bengali culture if at all we can call the "Ghoti" culture to be the mainstream. Differences will exist among the sub-communities("Ghotis" included) but that in no way means our identities as Bengalis is under question.If that were the case then the whole of Bangladesh won't qualify to be conformant, would it ? Tonmoy's assertion that if we consider Bengali to be a linguistic identity then there cannot be any difference between anybody within, is fraught with naivety because such simplistic attempts to cut the Gordian knots of identitiy can only convolute the problem rather then solving it.
Everybody carries a number of different identities and it can neither be quantified into one, nor can it be construed as any sort of identity crisis, but any attempts at an analysis will have to take into account the issue in its entirety rather then treading on the edges.
Someone mentioned that the "true Bengalis"(whatever that means) are fish-eating people and we are not.Who are you kidding ? Do you really believe that such trivialities as who puts sugar in the food and who doesn't, have come to decide as to whether we are Bengalis or not ? Don't we follow the same calendar and the same festivals ? Don't we read the same literature and feel proud of it ? There are hundreds of such similarities for every differences that we have.Surely we have variations of our own but then who said that we all are identical.Did Syed Mujtaba Ali feel like a fish out of the pond when he was writing those hilarious masterpieces in Bengali.And yes, he was from Moulvi Bazar, and a lot of Silcharites will find their roots take them somewhere in that sub-division of Sylhet.One of the greatest spiritual reformers of Bengal, and India for that matter, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, was from Sylhet.One of the pillars responsible for the rise of Indian nationalism that blossomed during the Indian freedom struggle, and about which the Bengalis are so proud of as being the beacons, was none other then a Sylheti named Bipin Chandra Pal.Sylhetis have enriched the Bengali culture by not being outsiders but being a part of the community itself.Yes, we are different and surely we have a niche identity but historically as well as culturally its more or less dovetailed into the bigger picture.Anyone who denies it is at a crossroads of his or her own making and the phenomenon cannot be generalized at all.
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Saayan Choudhury (Guest)
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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09/10/01 at 00:42:23 » |
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When someone asks a Silchari "Are you Bengali?" ... the answer is "I am Bengali, but .. ".
The point under cosideration is the "but". Why does this "but" appear? Why the attempt at pointing out the difference? Why not just say the B word and get done with it? |
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Himadri (Guest)
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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09/10/01 at 12:57:47 » |
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Most people that I know of, don't put a "but" in there initially, although everyone surely does clarify if pestered with anything more then a simple question, and I guess that's very natural and comes with the territory of being somewhat different from the generally percieved notions. |
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nilanjan aditya
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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10/09/01 at 00:49:41 » |
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oi sayan,haridas aar sob thaki beker himadri torar kita be khaiya dhaiya kaam nai ni , halar halain kaaj koria manusor time thake na , aar torar halar halain phaltu time ....i am shocked men ....anyway i hope next time onwards u all r not going to weaste ur time by discussing something stupid ....has ever anybody from silchar hasitate in saying "bengali"....disgusting man.i can't help it saying so.but u all deserve that.these thinking aar your thinking...so don't blame anybody...i think i don,t need to repeat it again...
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ou je
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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01/08/04 at 15:17:47 » |
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thik koicho ba, kintu bout din dhoria sayan koi lukai roilai. |
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raj123
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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01/08/04 at 16:55:41 » |
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hi
I think it is baseless discussion and instead we should think about the development of our silchar(barak valley). Now a days lot's of development work is being going on ...for details go to barakvalley.com and click on silchar news page or click below:
http://www.barakvalley.com/news/news1.php
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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01/09/04 at 08:27:00 » |
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The proposer of the thread and others like him don't respect themselves and their Bengali-ness. That's why they suffer from this identity crisis. :( >:( >:( |
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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01/10/04 at 03:35:57 » |
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Silcharites are indeed Bengalies. Not sure what provoked this thread. I am sure what Harida da and Sayaan are saying is completely their own opinion and does not speak for all Silcharites. I think some of you are equating Calcuttans with Bengalis. Bengali is much broader term. Look, I have accepted confusion as my way of life. But I am a Bengali and I am not confused about that at all. As I am not confused that I am an Indian first. Now Himadri, I liked your post. But I think Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was born in Mayapur Nadia. I am curious to know about his Shyleti connection. |
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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Chaitannya Mahaprabhu's Sylhet connection is well documented.His father Jagannath Mishra was from Sylhet district and he was born at his maternal grandfather's place in Nadia. |
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, was from Sylhet
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Himadri, I agree that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu has a Shyleti connection. But it will be wrong to say that he was from Shylet. Jagannath Mishra migrated to Nabadwipa and married Srimati Sachi devi a daughter of Srila Nilambar Chakrabarty, the great learned scholar of the then Nabadwipa. He remailed in Nabadwipa and Viswambhar was his tenth child who later became known as Nimai Pandit and then Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu spent most of his life in Nabadwipa. He came to East Bengal only once (where he lost his first wife). As you can see he was born in Nabadwipa and spent his early life there. Hence he is from Nabadwipa. We Shyletis can take pride in his shyleti connection but it is wrong to say that he was from Shylet. |
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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01/10/04 at 14:19:12 » |
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te kita hoise te jodi keu koe Chaitainya Mahaprabhu syleti - tumar gaat lager kene ??? tumi aso khali nani kunbae khali dilaitae mansho redilaitae !!! pandit ni tumi ?? |
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Re: Why Silcharis do not think they are "Bengali"
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01/10/04 at 17:55:27 » |
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ou hoilo giya tumar problem. boro joldi chiri jao. Deko, many people like me enjoy reading Himadri's post. Why there should be a factual error? Somebody not so intelligent as you may even quote it in a discussion and get busted. |
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