didibhai
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Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/06/05 at 09:44:30 » |
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Questions are arising whether Shah Jahan had actually built the 'Taj Mahal' as claimed or did he acquire it from Raja Maan Singh.
Well a great read of this topic, something to think about. Some questions and two links on the subjects.
The questions are;
Should the government of India take further steps and investigate this claim?
Or
Should everybody just mind their own business, and leave thing's as they are?
If you have read the articles on the link below:-
What your convictions on this issue?
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/question_of_the_taj_mahal.htm
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A5220
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confused
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/06/05 at 09:57:45 » |
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Muslim rulers were very apt at grabbing things that are beautiful. I won't be surprised if this claim is true. What can possible hurt if people do further reaearch on this? But then we are a strange country. Government even considered banning the book just because some people might get hurt. >:( |
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kigoobe
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/06/05 at 15:33:35 » |
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Dear Didibhai
Thanks for the links. Great links, no doubt. In fact, I did some study about this when I was younger. I remember visiting one RSS office in Silchar where I collected some very interesting (controversial) books, and one of them gave a detailed account and logic to justify why Taj Mahal is a Shiv Mandir and why it can't be a muslim tomb. Your links have refreshed that memory once again.
I become really frustrated while I think about all these things our govt. is trying to hide from us. I do understand while they tried to hide Netaji's facts from us, as they were simply afraid to loose the power, but this one is even more bizzare, as apparently they can loose nothing by telling us the truth about the history of this Taj. Or do they ? Are they afraid to hurt the Muslim vote bank by uncovering the facts ???
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mon_amar
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/06/05 at 18:01:15 » |
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Ridiculous isnt it?
None of the political power is ready to brk the ice regarding this issue. I had the knowledge of this controversy earlier and its indeed a very old finding. Whereas the history depicts that muslim invaders and rulers have always demolished the Hindu Temples. That has always been there first priority. And then they have looted all the riches from old Bharat and taken it to their countries. Right from Md Ghauri to Aurangazeb, who was the last powerful Mughal badshah. But when one Babri Masjid is demolished, we remembered it as a black day of history after independence.
Friends, thats how it is proven that India is secular country. ::)
Let me tell you that the position of the Muslims here in our country is like the youngest one in the family whose all sins are considered to be minor mistakes. Always overlooked, and Hindus are like elder brother who has to take all the responsibilties, and undue scolding from the parents for something that has done by the younger brother. Here India is secular.
Muslims are no longer minors, so not to be treated as younger brother anymore. True census report will show that they are increasing in numbers like .... (forget it!! >:()
And they are BIGGEST VOTE BANK!! so they are not be hurt, if you do your an idiot!! not a politician!
And people like me who thinks the way I am, are anti seculars...fanatics..huh! and those people who think for the minorities no matter whatever muslims do , are so called Buddhijibis..intellectuals...who publish their valuable opinions into news papers and mass media, never ever got to know the real picture of India. Pukure na namle ki bojha jai koto gobhir jal ??
The last Hindu country is India and Nepal(about Nepal, not sure). And that India has a secular Government (we all know what type of secularism we pratise). But count all the Muslim countries and tell me how many. People speak againts Hindu fanatics, like Sivsena and RSS. If they were not there which Government would have taken care of the intersets of we Hindus? Oneday we would have lost our identity as Hindus.
I bet, the Tazmahal issue will remain as it is.RSS people are againts secularism,bloody fanatics, so they alwyas bullshit againt Muslims. Right? If you speak like them you become old fashioned. ;)
Just put on your specs and make a serious posture and say, "ei desher ki hobe?" Then speak for the muslims and speak of all the things that has been done against them, and forget what they have been doning to us during pre-british and post-british period. (I dont want to speak about our great Freedom Struggle as jokhon ghore agun lage tokhon shobai bachte chai)Now dear, you are just and "Atel" akjon mohan buddhijibi, intellectual. Your opinion is the most valualbe one that only can save our coutry!!
PS: To let you know that, I am not an RSS member, neither I hate every Muslim. Those who are good are good as individuals. but Muslims, as a community have made a great deal difference in our culture, our social system, political system and economy. I know, now I will be bombered with comments. But never mind!! :D I do say what I have to say. All comments are most welcome. :) |
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kigoobe
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/06/05 at 18:19:07 » |
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[quote](I dont want to speak about our great Freedom Struggle as jokhon ghore agun lage tokhon shobai bachte chai)[/quote]
We can even speak about our Freedom Struggle, why to put this interesting thing aside ?
Besides Netaji, who could fetch a couple of Muslim leaders in INA (and may be a few Muslim fighters as well), [b]how many[/b] Muslim freedom fighters we can name who gave their life for the nation during that period ?
Considering, we have 20% muslim population in our country, and in Bengal who did the most to kick out the Brits from our country and where we saw the maximum anti British activities (I still believe that Bengalis, and more precisely the Hindu Bengalis from east Bengal origin, are the most patriotic in India, much more than any other cultural groups, a fact that can be authenticated by visiting other non Bengali Indian forums like this one, and I bet they don't speak as Patriotically as we do here in Silchar.com) , the percentage of Muslims are even much higher.
Again, I'm not anti Muslim as well, as ppl who know me personally, knows that I have a lot of Muslim friends, and if I make a ratio, I have more Muslim friends than Hindus ... but here we are speaking about some truths and truth is neither pro Hindu or pro Muslim, that's just neutral. |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/06/05 at 23:30:04 » |
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I think I liked what you said. But, I think there is a difference between Muslim ruling class and general muslim population. Two things should be distinguished clearly. Muslim rulers were .. well .. barbarians. But vast majority of our Muslim population was actually forcibly converted or they embraced Islam because they were not really treated very well in our religion. If you compare them with the Arabs or some other breed of muslims, them they seem to be diet cokes ( this is a complement ) version of coke. ;D
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debasish_ch
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/07/05 at 01:06:18 » |
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After browsing the net for the past four hours, the pool of knowledge that I came across is enough to offer a barter for Kumarsambhava and Shakuntala. I also wanted to include the 'Rubaiyat' of Omar Khaiyyam, but days are troubled, and poetry is no more priceworthy than one's life.
A few examples of architecture (and non-architecture also) that show strains of common Hindu motifs and lifestyles:
1. The Red Fort having numerous Hindu and Vedic symbols.
2. Lord Vishnu's footsteps at Humayun's Tomb (Mon_amar can go and check, its near the Nizamuddin flyover).
3. Vedic style panels at Qutab Minar.
4. The cylindrical stone at Kabba.
5. Arab women wearing forehead marks like 'sindoor'.
6. Egyptian slaves wearing tilak aka 'Gouro Nitai'.
7. Roman intelligentsia wearing tilak aka 'Gouro Nitai' and dhoti.
Aaro prachur aase, Ramayana sketches on Italian crockery, Shiva Statue in Bologna (Italy), Shiva Linga at Vatican Museum, etc etc etc.
How prudent it is dudes, to assume that Hindus have influenced the world so immensely that the 'Gouro Nitai' tilak actually surfaced in Egypt thousands of years before their birth? More foolish is to assume that Sri Chaitanya was actually a descendant of Cleopetra, who spread the queen's message in Bengal.
Art and culture, dudes, is a creation of human minds, which in turn, is controlled a lot by the genesis, and also by the environment. Only because someone says that the hidden chambers Taj Mahal MIGHT contain Hindu artefacts, you tend to lose your powers of judgement, and start preaching biased theories about the Muslim emperors, as well as the Muslim people in general.
Discretion gentlemen, discretion is the name of the game! |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/07/05 at 08:30:12 » |
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[quote author=debasish_ch link=board=0011&num=1123294471&start=0#6 date=08/07/05 at 01:06:18]
How prudent it is dudes, to assume that Hindus have influenced the world so immensely that the 'Gouro Nitai' tilak actually surfaced in Egypt thousands of years before their birth?
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This is a good one. ;D
I like that. But is it really wrong to pursue a research to investigate this issue? Why not open Tajmahal's chamger and settle the issue for once and all? But no, it would hurt some people so let's keep mum.
Hindu culture did influence the world. Why do you want to make a caricature of yourself? If you ever have an opportunity, visit the natural history musetum in NYC. There is a room dedicated to artifacts of ancient India. While describing contributions of ancient Indian civilization it says that hindu civilization was one of the most productive civilizations of ancient world. But it ceased to be productive after invation of Islam. |
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mon_amar
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/08/05 at 17:59:48 » |
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Tell me how come our very own Swastika is a Nazi symbol? |
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kigoobe
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/08/05 at 18:28:11 » |
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One of the first important western person who convinced himself that India is the birth place of human civilization was [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mueller][b]Max Mueller[/b][/url]. And he could see, how the ancient Indians, or the Aryans [Aryans = Men who knew how to use metals] were far more developed then any other contemporary human race of the world. Here, developed the Aryan Myth, that they are the best, etc. etc ...
However, for the white race, it was difficult to accept that it was a non-white country who gave them intelligence, history was thus distorted, rewritten, and people around the world were made to believe (unfortunately, that includes also many Indians) that Aryans came from west and settled themselves in India, a theory which had no base and was established only with a strong 'white' propaganda.
Hitler, a person with a trememdous superior complexity, swallowed that capsule, and started to believe that if there were something called the Aryan race, it can be the Germans only, and nobody else. He became interested to know more about the Aryans, and to a big extent, made them his ideals ... and thus, no doubt, when he wanted a logo for the best human race (for him, it were the fair skinned Germans), he had hardly any choice in his hand (for his obligation to his own self) than to pick an Aryan symbol. But again, the symbol that he liked, was getting used by some non-whites ... he, thus, decided to take that with a bit of customization ... and here took birth the infamous 'Nazi symbol'.
But Mon, that is a very simplified version for a tremendous huge topic, we can write several books on this topic in order to understand the full thing ... but in a nutshell, I believe (since there is nothing in the world called absolute truth, again, another of my believes), this is how Hitler took and distorted our very own Swastika ... |
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debasish_ch
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/08/05 at 23:20:26 » |
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Sourav,
I knew so far that Aryans migrated from Iran to India. Infact the Dravidians and other tribes are actually the original inhabitants of India, and not the Aryans.
Could you please let me know the source of your findings that Aryans are the original inhabitants of India? |
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didibhai
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 07:18:22 » |
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The swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life. It probably was originally used to symbolize the solar calendar, or power, strength, and good luck. Later interpretations, included, the theory of the ‘perfect race’ superior to everyone. That concept was adopted by Hitler, to be understood as a 'quality' of race and blood. It could also be some kind of ‘chakra’ used in warfare or military purpose. To this day, no one actually knows the meaning of the ‘Swastika’. Although, in other cultures its usage no longer has its meaning, it is still revered in ‘Hinduism’.
Swastika: Sanskrit "su" meaning "good" and "asti" meaning "to be"
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kigoobe
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 08:15:33 » |
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Dear Debasish
Its nice listening from u after such a long gap. Well, the idea that Aryan was a far better group of people and hence they must have entered India from the west was first coined by Max Mueller. German, French and British then used this theory in their own cause. Well, why the theory doesn't hold good.
1. The theory tells that Aryan invaded India around 1500 BC. Nowhere in the Indian history (including ancient Indian works like Veda etc.) we find any evidence of such an invasion. Nobody mentioned any such invasion.
2. The theory tells that Aryans could defeat the locals because of their superior knowledge in horse domestication, use of chariots, and use of metals - and that the local Indians were not having knwledges of these. This does not stand as well as the archeological evidences suggest that Indians were using all these three from much before.
3. Then, it is not possible that some ppl came and pushed down the locals some 3500 yrs ago, as evidences show that the places where the Aryans were supposed to enter at that era, were already habited by Indians, from thousands of years ago, and the same ppl are still living on those regions (continuity of cultural tradition).
As requested by Debasish, I could find some links, you can have a look.
[url=http://www.stephen-knapp.com/the_aryan_invasion_history_or_politics.htm]Link 1[/url]
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history5.shtml]Link 2[/url]
[url=http://www.indiastar.com/kakaryans.html]Link 3[/url]
[url=http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html]Link 4[/url]
[url=http://www.sol.com.au/kor/16_01.htm]Link 5[/url]
Last year, I had much more interesting links, unfortunately I can't give u now as I am not finding them at this moment, of which one research paper prepared by an Indian American professor was really a very nice one. In this, he explained very nicely how the Aryans (or, the ancient Indians) migrated from India towards west, upto Iran (something that has given rise to another confusion that Aryans might have originated in Iran) and then to further west upto Europe.
Infact he even gave more evidences about what he told, by sighting various example of several Iranian and European ancient kings, who had some 'very Indian names'. And also, for one reason he told that it was not possible for any external cultures to defeat India at that time, simply because we were far more developed then any other contemporary culture (say, something like we can't believe that today Nigeria can defeat USA in a war, or atleast it won't be believable). I also read some detailed notes where it were shown that how at that time we were like the present USA and how the rest of the world like the present Nigeria, but unfortunately, neither can I narrate them in details due to my small IQ (I can't remember something line by line read a year back, unfortunately), nor I am able to find you those links, as simply, with time some links gets vanished.
But I do believe that if you go for a hunting for this, you may find some more interesting links, more interesting than what I'm giving you here.
For Debasish's other point, that why we see influence of Indian culture in many far away places, a simple explanation of this is, we can see a similar cultural trend in geographically and culturally far away places, is that at one point of time they came together, close to each other, when those cultural exchanges took place. Its also not believable, that ppl of different areas developed same cultural traits rotally independently. No, that's not possible.
Given that Indians were the most and the only intelligent ppl in this world in the past (I think this is not too far from truth even today, though at a much lesser extent, but that would be again another hot debate, and past experiences has taught me not to go for arguments, so I prefer withdrawing any of my comments that can give rise to any debate) and that we did travel a lot, we don't need to be very intelligent to think that Indians did travel to them in the past, and thus left some of their cultural traits to places where they traveled.
Infact, another fascinating fact is that another propaganda that the white has made us believe, that the first explorers of the world are the whites, like Columbus and all, has started to be proved wrong (just like the Aryan invasion theory), and it is getting proved that Indians were already much developed than their western counterpart in sea navigation, and that when Columbus and all were thinking to go for exloring the world in their small boats, Indians were already having much developed ships and we were traveling places doing business, and several times, it is the Indian sailors who shown their western counter parts way in deep ocean, when they were getting lost in the world of endless ocean - something that I have learned, thanks to my wife, who is learning bengali in a local university, and what she studies as a part of her syllabus.
Then, why we are us today and they are they. I think we can bring again the same USA / Nigeria comparison. For the same reason a Nigerian will do his best today to enter the territory of USA, and an American will show equal dispathy to go living in Nigeria, Indians were too rich at at that time and it were too stupid for them even to think to go somewhere else leaving the rich and civilized motherland.
So the Nigerians went to America, started doing business ... stealing, cheating, colonization, industrial revolution ... another period of the world history begun here. And then, we should not forget here that Columbus discovered America by accident, what he was passionated about was India.
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didibhai
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 09:09:06 » |
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Dear Debashish,
You can read this article, which may claim some doubt in your mind, of the Aryan race originating from Iran.
"In India, under the British Empire, the British rulers also used the idea of a distinct Aryan race in order to ally British power with the Indian caste system. Because many modern European languages are derived from Sanskrit, British colonialists used this as a justification for their rule of India. They claimed that the Aryans were “white” people who had invaded India in ancient times, subordinating the dark skinned native Dravidian peoples, who were pushed to the south. They also sought to divide the society by caste by claiming that Aryans had established themselves as the dominant castes, who were traditionally the scholars of the intellectually sophisticated Vedic writings of the Hindu faith. All discussion of Aryan or Dravidian "races" remains highly controversial in India to this day, but does continue to affect political and religious debate. Some Dravidians, most commonly Tamils, claim that the worship of Shiva is a distinct Dravidian religion, to be distinguished from Brahminical "Aryan" Hinduism. In contrast, the Indian nationalist Hindutva movement argues that no Aryan invasion or migration ever occurred, arguing that Vedic beliefs emerged from the Indus Valley Civilisation, which is generally supposed to have pre-dated the advent of the supposed Aryans in India. See also: Aryan invasion
These debates also led to the Theosophical movement founded by Helena Blavatsky and Henry Olcott at the end of the nineteenth century. This was an early kind of New Age philosophy, that took inspiration from Indian culture, in particular from the Hindu reform movement the Arya Samaj founded by Swami Dayananda. Blavatsky named her fifth root race the Aryans. Guido von List (and his followers such as Lanz von Liebenfels) later took up these ideas, falsifying and mixing this ideology with nationalistic ideas. Such views also fed into the development of Nazi ideology.
These and other ideas evolved into the Nazi use of the term "Aryan race" to refer to what they saw as being a "master race" of people of northern European descent, going to extreme and violent lengths to "maintain the purity" of this race through a far-reaching eugenics program (including anti-miscegenation legislation, compulsory sterilization of the mentally ill and the mentally deficient, the execution of the institutionalized mentally ill as part of a euthanasia program, and eventually the systematic targeting of Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals in the Holocaust). This usage now has nearly no meaning outside of Nazi or neo-Nazi ideology."
http://www.indopedia.org/Aryan_race.html
AND ANOTHER ARTICLE
"Upon arrival in India, the Aryans abandoned their nomadic lifestyle and mingled with the native peoples remaining in the north of India. The victory of the Aryans over the native civilization was quick and complete, resulting in the dominance of Aryan culture and language over the northern part of the subcontinent and considerable influence on parts of the south. The initial theory was built primarily on linguistic grounds, since there is no mention of an actual invasion or migration into India in the Vedic texts, and the Vedic texts do not refer to a homeland of the Hindus outside of India, in contrast to the Avesta, which mentions an exterior homeland Airyanem Vaejah of the ancient Zoroastrians."
http://www.answers.com/topic/aryan-race
why would the Aryans abandon their way of life, and adopt a more sophiscated lifestyle, if that kind of lifestyle did not already exist in India?
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didibhai
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 09:31:38 » |
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Dear Sourav
I have also read a book on this subject, where it mentions that there are ample proof that, it was people from India who moved towards the west, into middle east, Mesopotamia, and then to Europe.
I think the name of the book was:
"Ancient India- Pre-Islamisation"
By the way, I am glad to hear that French universities offer Bengali languages. |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 12:18:53 » |
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[quote author=didibhai link=board=0011&num=1123294471&start=0#11 date=08/09/05 at 07:18:22]
That concept was adopted by Hitler, to be understood as a 'quality' of race and blood.
Swastika: Sanskrit "su" meaning "good" and "asti" meaning "to be"
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I do not think Hitler used our Swastika at all. The Nazi symbol is not Swatika. Check the orientation and the direction of the Hands. |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 15:37:28 » |
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Asitida was right about the so called Swastika as used by Hitler and the Nazis. The common belief about this symbol is that it represents the two S i.e. SS in different orientation. Now what does the SS mean? Ironically, it means [B] Socialism [/B].
Remember the full name of Nazis? Translated, it means, National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei). There have been a conserted effort by the socialists to hide this fact, true to their bearings.
For more on swastika visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
You will also find a link for the Aryans on this page. |
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mon_amar
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/09/05 at 22:16:37 » |
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Hi all
Dear Asitida,
The Nazi symbol is indeed Swastika, as the Swastika is described as"The symbol of the 4-sided swastika is an archetype for the rotations of time and conscousness - moving clockwise and counterwise - in upward or downward spirals - allowing souls to experience many levels of reality simultaneously. "
The swastika is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles either clockwise or anticlockwise. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees, and the Hindu version often has a dot in each quadrant.
The swastika has not always been used as a symbol of Nazism and was in fact borrowed from Eastern cultures. It seems to have first been used by early inhabitants of Eurasia. It is an important symbol in Eastern religions, notably Hinduism and Buddhism, among others, and was also used in Native American faiths before World War II. By the early twentieth century it was regarded worldwide as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousness. Swastikas appeared on the spines of books by the Anglo-Indian writer Rudyard Kipling, and the symbol was used by Robert Baden-Powell's Boy Scout movement.
Please check out the facts from the link below
http://www.crystalinks.com/swastika.html
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didibhai
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/10/05 at 06:19:14 » |
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I am very sceptical of what I read as good source of information. the reason for this sceptism is that, India's ancient history was shaped and written by westerners and mainly their colonial masters. Alot of what is 'history' are distorted theories to legitimise colonial rule.
The theory of both the 'Swastika' and the 'Aryan Invasion' needs an unbiased investigation, research and analyses with an open mind. Unfortunately, making of history and culture are in the hands of the dominant popular culture, and that today, is 'western'. And they will not own up to the fact that a sophisticated culture before their time ever existed and perhaps, their modern history, science, language and mathematics might have been shaped by it too.
This was infact, one my arguments with my professor, when I took an optional subject to study 'Historical and Geographical Displacements' . As the title suggests it was a very emotive module. |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/10/05 at 10:34:32 » |
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Didibhai,
Forget about west. Even our brothers in the left side won't believe in our past glories. Have you seed how people are writing to discredit our ancient culture. As you rightly said in another thread, what more can you expect from the product of colonical education? |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/10/05 at 20:09:08 » |
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I don't agree that it's our good old Swastika that was taken by Hitler to express the superiority of the Aryans. In all probability it's the two [B]S[/B] symbolising Socialism. Thing is is that, the socialist-communist brigade is too strong..has been too strong, at least on the intellectual side. So you will read a chapter on Russian Revolution in class 7 as part of your world history and The Chinese War of 1962 will find minimal mention in the same book, prob half a page, as part of your Indian history. Dwijendralal Roy, ekta amar kotha koia gesla. Never get tired using it. Satya Selucas, ki bichitro ei desh! Ar ki bichitro ei desher manush naamok prajati! |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/13/05 at 17:04:36 » |
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Shovon, just one confusion! "Satya Seleucus, ki bichitra ei desh! Aar ki bichitra ei desher manush namok prajaati!".
These words, as far as I know, were famously uttered by Alexendar The Great on his arrival to India. Nicator Seleucus was his general. |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/13/05 at 19:37:17 » |
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[Quote]
Posted by: debasish_ch Posted on: August 13th, 2005, 3:04pm
Shovon, just one confusion! "Satya Seleucus, ki bichitra ei desh! Aar ki bichitra ei desher manush namok prajaati!".
These words, as far as I know, were famously uttered by Alexendar The Great on his arrival to India. Nicator Seleucus was his general.
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Bhagawan jaane,. At least ami jaani na, Alexander olakaan kotha koisla na nai. I had read it in school in Class VII as part of Bengali paper. It was prob. written by Dwijendralal Roy. Not sure though. Ar 2nd line i.e. [B]Aar ki bichitra ei desher manush namok prajaati![/B], ta aami add kori disi. So in all pob. Alexander-dada oi kothata koisla na. |
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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bishoy ta khubi romanchokar. onek din jabot bhabchilam kichu lekhbo, kintu aar na likhe parlam na. taj-mahaler je bishoy ta niye alochona shuru hoyechilo ta atikram kore bishoy ta ekhon onno dike dhabito hoyeche ebong ei dhaboman notun bishoy ti arthat "arjo ra ki bharoter aadibashi na ki bohirago jati jara bharoter ekhon odibashi" niye onek mota mot jana gelo. "swastika" niyeo onekei onek kichu bollen.
ei dhoroner bishoy niye kotha bolte onek somoyer dorkar aar bohu jug dhoreo onek oitihashik, darshonik, protnatattik ra arjo jatir ba jatitter (swastika jaar ekta angsho-bhuto chinha matro) sandhan ba research kore jacchen kintu keu aaj porjonto sathik kono uttor dite paren ni.
itihaas kokhonoi thik bhabe jana jaay na, aar taar jonnoi atit bhobishoter moto romanchokar. jotoi ojanake janbe, totoi aro ojana thekei jaay.
bharoter atit itisash je shudhu arjo deri itihash arthat "ved" ba "ved" er poroborti kal, ta kintu thik noy. amra jani je sanskrit ati suprachin bhasha ebong sanskrit theke onek indo-european bhashar janmo hoyeche. kintu sanskriter cheyeo tamil bhasha ati prachin ebong tamil jati ebong tamil sanskriti prithibir majhe sob cheye suprachin ja ajo onobheddo bhabe bohon kore cholche.
jehetu europen ra drabid othaba semitic jatir bongshodhor noy taai tara drabid ba semitic jatir prachinotto niye research korte aagrohi o noy. kintu aaj amra jani je arjoder cheyeo ati suprachin jati drabid ba tamil ra. prachin mishoriyo (egypt) jatir bhashar majhe aar puran tamil bhashar majhe onek mil paoya geche. ati prachin kaal thekei drabir ra nou bisheshogyo chilo. samosta bangapo-sagar aar arab sagar er ekmatro adhipoti tarai chilo. sanskrit shobdo "navik" theke "navigation" shobder janmo hoyeche.
tamilder ati prachin dharma pustoke paoya jaay je tader(tamil) desh theke pashchim samudrer tiroborti ek stane sumudra parabare tara boshoti stapon korechilo. abar puran mishoriyo jatira biswas korto je tader ke purbo-deshiyo sumudro parabarer ati uccho sabhya kono ek jati mishore eshe pathor katar bidya shikhiyechilo. amra jani je tamil rai prothom jati jara pathor kete mandir nirmaner shilpo abishkar korechilo. jodio madurai er gopuram gulo madhya juge nirmito hoyeche kintu ei mandir tir gopuram e giza plato aar tinti wembey stedium ek sathe bhorleo tar poreo jayga thakbe. prachin juge tamilder cheye aar kono jati prostar shilpe parodorshi chilo na. onekei biswas kore je arjo ra prostar shilper bidya janto na. taai puran arjoder nagor nirmaner promaan kothao paoya jaay na.
oitihashik ra biswas korten je arjo ra bohiragoto jati jara 5000 bochor aage bharoter uttor pashchimanchal diye probesh kore. arjoder burbo-borti drabir jatira tokhon bharoter sarbortro bash korto ebong mahenjodaro ebong harappar sabhyata drabir der sabhyata, taai proman kora hoyeche. arjo jatir kono deb-debir murti paoya jayni mahenjodaroy. shiv ebong kali je dravir ba anarjoder debota chilen ta amra sobai jani. shiv prithibir sob cheye adim debota aar linga-yoni pujao prithibir sob cheye adim puja aar "tantra" holo prithibir sob cheye purano dharmik ritiniti.
mahanjodaroy je ekta debotar murti paoya geche ta holo asona-bishto poshu-mastakdhari jar charideke bibhinno poshuder murti aache. ei mudra ti onek oitihashikera biswas koren je shiv er poshupatir adi rup. bortoman hindu dharme shiv ke "deber deb" bola hoy kintu vaidik juge shiber stan onek niche chilo karon shiv anarjoder ba dravid der debota chilen aar taai ved e koyek ta marto shiv er mantra paoya jaay taao abar "rudra" rupe. arjora anarjoder prodhan debota shiv ke "rudra" rupe grahan korechilo.
oneker biswas je mohenjodaror sabhatake arjo rai noshto korechilo. rig ved e paouya jaay je "indra" debotader raja (arjoder raja) anarjo jatir sabhyata nashto korechilen aar tader "pur" (nagar) binashto korechilen, taai sokol debotara (arjo ra) indra ke notun naam diyechilen "purandar".
mohenjodaro r lekhito bhasha aajo keu porte pare ni kintu ei sabyata je drabir sabhya chilo ta onekei mene niyechen. pakistaner beluchistaner adibashider bhashar majhe aar tamil bhashar majhe onek mil aache. kintu mohenjodaro ki shudhui 5000 bochorer purano aar jodi arjo ra bharote eshe mohenjodaror sanskriti binoshto kore tahole arjo ra bharote 5000 bochor somo-samoyik kale eshechilo. kintu etai ki satya?
ganga nodi jemon adhunik hindu der kache pabitra temoni saraswati nodi chilo arjoder kache pobitro. char ved e onek slok aache saraswati nadir upor kintu ganga nadir upor koyekta matro slok paoya jaay. arjoder matri-bhumi je "sapta-sindhu" te chilo jake tara "arya-varta" bolto sei sapta-sindu uttor o pashim bharoter sat ta nadi borti elakakei bola hoyeche. sapta sindhu jatha krome, Saraswati, Satadru (Sutlej), Vipasa (Beas), Asikni (Chenab), Parosni (Ravi), Vitasta (Jhelum) and Sindhu (Indus). aar saraswati chilen tader majhe sob cheye khoroshota jemon aajker ganga-nodi, aar taai aarjo ra ei nodikei padhanno deyechilo. onek oitihashikera mone koren je saraswati nadir upor je gula slok lekha hoyechilo seguli 8000 bochorero purano.
kintu oitihashikra mone korten je arjoder prodhan nodi saraswati bharoter baire kono ek deshe chilo jekhan theke arjo ra echechilo. kintu mahakash-nirikkhito upogroho teke "nasa" je sob koyek ti chobi tulechilo tate lupta nodi saraswatir sanddhan paoya geche. saraswati himalay theke dillir pashapashi hoye rajasthaner upor diye gujarat hoye arab sagorer mohonay dhabito chilen. 6000-8000 bochorer majhe saraswati nodi khub bishalakar nodi chilo jar tiroborti elakay prochur jonoboshoti bistar korechilo. pratnatattik der kach theke amra jani je rajasthan ek somoy sujola-suphola-shashya-shyamola chilo aar saraswati nodir elakay khonon karje onek otit sabhyatar nidhorshon paoya geche.
saraswatir mohonay oarthat gujarater tirobotri bay of cambay te sumudrer niche je ek bishal nogorir khuj paoya geche ta budhoy onekei janen. oneker mote ei sagar-nimudrito nogori i krishner dwaraka jaar bornona amra mahabharote pai. krishner mrityur por arjun jokhon sokol yadav ramonider niye hastinapurer dike jarta korlen tokhon dwaraka theke bahir hotei sei nogori sagorer gobhire chole jaay.
duburi ra je sob jinish sagor-tol thake uddhar kore eneche tarder majhe ekta jinish holo "mudra" orthat "seal". amra mahabharote paai je magadh-pati jarasnadher attachar theke rokkha paoyar jonno sagor dwipe dwaraka nogori nirman kora hoyechilo. taai nogore probesher jonno bishesh mudra ba (passport) prodorshon korte hoto ja sadharnoto pathore ba itt matite khudai kora hoto. sei dhoroner onek mudra sumudrer tol theke uddhar kora hoyeche. sumodro tolo-borti ekta kath (wood) ke bigyanik jantra dwara porikkon kore taar aayu nirdharito kora hoyeche 9000 bochor.
amra jani je goto "ice age" 9000 er age chilo ebong ei ice age jokjon shesh hoyechilo orthat 9000 bochorer somoy tokhon boraf goloner phole prithibir sob sumuder joler ucchota onekangshe bere giyechilo. prithibir onek jayga sagorer niche toliye jaay. tobe dwaroka o ki sei ice age er somaptir sathe sathe sagorer niche toliye giyechilo? ajker bishesh bishesh nogorider moto sekaleo bebosar karone samudrer tata-borti elakay nogori nirman kora hoto. goto ice age somaptir phole hariye giyeche goto ice age er purboborti orthat 10,000 bochor purber nogori guli. aar sei atiter hariye jaoya itihash theke janmo neyechilo greek philosopher plator moto atlantis nogorir rumanchokor golper kahini.
jodi eta sotti hoye thake tahole arjo ra bharote 10,000 bochorer o beshi boshobash kore aashche.
prithibir sob jatir dharme ekta birat bonnar kotha ullekh aache jake bola hoy "the great flood" ba "the flood of noah". sumer sabhyta theke shuru kore chin sabhyata porjonto sob jatira biswas korto je ek bishal bonnar karone adhunik prithibir janmo hoyeche. amader "matsa puran" eo lekha aache je vishnur prothom avatar matsa manober pita manu ke pancham mannantore maha-proloyer banya ja sokol jati ke dhangsa korechilo, sei somoy manur nirmito nouka ke path prodorshon korechilen.
ei bannar golpo ja prithibir sob jatir smritir majhe ekhono bibhinno bhabe loko-gatha hoye aache, ta nishchoi golpo noy. ice age er borof goloner proti phole prithibir chari dike je bibhinno ucchash dekha deyechilo ta amra jani. kashmir er uccho shikhore ice age er purbe je ekta bishal hrad (lake) chilo ja borof golone joler ucchota bridhi paoyay tat bhenge arab sagore dhabito hoyechilo. protnatattikera tai biswas koren.
jodi mahabharater somoy 9000 bachor, tahole ved er boyosh aro beshi. amra jani je amra ekhon panchom monnantore bash korchi. orthat amader purbe char bar prithibite emon sob prakritik durjog hoyeche jar jonno manob jatir binasher upokrom hoyechilo. amar mote ved er boyosh 10.000 bochorer o anek beshi ebong goto ice age er somapto kale mahabharoter ghotona ghotechilo.
tar mane arjo ra bharote 10,000 bochorer aage thekei bash korche. tahole mohengodaro r sabhyata arjo ra noshto korte pare na. karon 5000 bochorer somoye arjo ra bharotei chilo. tobe ki arjo aar onarjo ra sob somoy ek sange bharote bash kore ashche?
ved er itihash jodi sotti hoye thake tahole amra jani je arjo ra chilo "sur" aar onarjo ra chilo "a-sur". arjoder tulonay onarjo rao sabhya chilo. jehetu sokol dharma grantha guli arjo lekhokera likhechen taai anarjo der heen ba o-sabhya dekhano hoyeche. dharma pustak gulite ja der ke rakkhosh ba asur bola hoyeche tarai onarjo othoba drabir jati chilo. tahole amra mante pari je bharote arjo ebong drabir jati sob somoy i ek sathe boshobash kore aashche ebong tara bharoteri aadibashi.
anarjora je bigyan, shilpo, anka, botani, nobhochari ebong aro onnanno bishoye unnoti labh korechilo ta amra arjo kobi balmikir lekhatei peye thaki. jodio tini arjo chilen kintu onarjo rakkhosh jatir boiganik uttotir kotha na likhe parlen na. se khetre dekha jaay je arjo ra bigyan ba abishkarer dike mon na diye "houm" ba mantra abishkare mon diyechilo.
onarjo raja rabon er onek boiganik abishkarer udhahoran amra ramayone peye thaki. ramayan ebong mahabharat ke niye ekhon prochur boigyanik porikkha nirikkha kora hocche. raboner je biman chilo jar dwara akash-pothe bichoron kora jeto, emon dhoroner chinta aar kono jarit oitihashik ba dharmik pustoke paoya jaay na. kebol matro micleangelo 15th century te adhunik aroplane er moto kichu drawing korechilen. hindu dharmer onek pustokei bimaner kotha ullhekh aache.
raboner je ashok kanon chilo ta bibhinno projatir gaacher botanical bagan chilo. onarjo ra gaach ebong gach theke aushodhir bebohaar kora janto. ashok kanoner por prithibir poroborti itihashe shudhu "hanging garden of babylon" er moto baganer naam paoya jaay.
shunya-pothe (akash-pothe)theke je juddho kora jaay ta prithibir itihashe kebol ramayan ei paoya jaay. bingsho-shotabdi te ei ochintan juddho biman punor-nirman kora hoy.
ramayan e eo paya jaay je anarjo ra ei bigyan janto je somoy er gatir majhe hariye jaoya ba lupta hoye jaoya. ek stan theke lupto hoye somoyer madya diye bhraman kore onno kono ek jaygaay sho-shorite uposthit hoya. adhunik bigyan onek cheshta korche ei puratan bidya ke ayotto korar kintu ekhono phol-proshu hoy ni.
ramayoner ei kotha guli nitantoi kalponik mone korte pari kintu western ra tader sob dharmik ebong loko gatha ke baigyanik udhaharan diye notun kore abishkar korche. tahole amra korbo na keno? aar amra korar purbe tarai amader dharma-pustak guli theke udhahoran niye notun notun jinish abishkar korche. amra jani je adhunik manushera 40,000 bochor aage thekei poshupalon ebong krishi-kaj kora shuru korechilo. goto ice age er purbe orthat 10,000 bochorer purbe aro 30,000 bochor manob-jatir itihashe ki hoyeche ta amra kichui bhalo bhabe jani na.
goto ice age er purbe je amader adhunik kaler moto adhunik manob sabhyta chilo na ta kibhabe manbo? amra amader adhunik sabhyata niye je bodai kori, aaj jodi kono boro meteorite prithibite pore prithibir dui-tritiangsho manush noshto kore dey, tahole manusher koto din lagbe abar sabhyata ke bartamaan porjaye aante?
bohiragoto protham porjayer musalmaan ra jemon chechilo bharot tekhe bharotiyo sabhyatar itihash noshto korar jonno, temni arjora je anarjoder bohulangshe unonnoto sabhyata noshto kore ni ta ki satya hote pare na?
amra nijeder khub arjo mone kore gorbo-bodh mone kori. kintu ke jane amra kara! arjo bole jemon amra gorbo bodh korte chai, temni onarjo boleo jeno amra gorbo-bodh korte pari. taai ami ei eto lomba ekta rachana likhe bojhate chilam.
amader jatir itihash jeno amrai nirdharon korte pari sei khomota jeno amader thake. amra jeno aar kalankito poradhinotar nagpashe aboddho na hoi aar baideshik jatir kache jeno amader ati suprachin itihash bikrito na hoy, taai ami kamona kori.
europe e hitlar arjo jatitter borai niye je pashobik manob-nidhoner jogge ahuti diyechilo, bharoteo arjo ra chatur-varner niyom ber kore sadharon bharot-bashike ajo nipiron korche. taai arjo jatir itihash thik bhabe jene nijeke arjo mone karar cheye ek bar bhebe dekhun nijeke anarjo bola ki bhalo noy?
iti bijli :)
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synclaire_beauty
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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08/13/05 at 23:47:42 » |
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Eito SUPERB!!!!
Bijli's Gaari is on the track and rolling smoothly
Bijli keep writing, its people like you who make this site look intellectual
of course not to forget and original tooo!!
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mon_amar
mon_amar
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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Bravo dear Bijili!! :D |
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Bijili
Bijili
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Re: Taj Mahal -Controversy.
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Thank you Mon & Beauty!
Tumrar mota mot tain janaio te. :D Bijli |
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