London bombing and life after

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London bombing and life after
«on: 07/25/05 at 06:31:03 »

So, suicide bombing reached the heart of Europe too. I spent a few weeks in London which happens to be my favourite European city. Sorry to see so many innocent people dying. I almost liked everything about my visit there but had a brief encounter with some not so nice people. This guy called me a Paki bastard without any provocation. Then I realized that was the "Bongali Kela" version of Britain. Only difference is that I won't hear the B* word in Assam until I keep my mouth shut. But there is very little I can do to change my skin colour. I am assuming that after this incidence flow hatred would be even more free flowing in Britain. So my dear Londoner friends, how often are you being greeted with P word now?

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/26/05 at 08:31:19 »

Confused

I don't know about you, but I have lived here for over 30 years and have not been called anything like it. But, then I am a lady. No seriously, the bomb blast has had an effect on everybody's life but, there has not been any backlash. Interestingly, where I live, along the four houses including mine, there is Muslim, Sikh, Christian and myself Hindu. None of us know each other by name but say hello whenever we are confronted. If the law was not strong here then perhaps, there would have been bloody backlash. You can see how quickly MI5 moved to identify and arrest the assailants. Although, I do fear for my children as they have to go out and about. One can be at the wrong place at the wrong time, that's the worry.

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/26/05 at 11:05:21 »

Nice to hear that you guys are doing fine. Backlash can occur only if it has support from the people in power. Example Gujrat and Delhi in 1984. That is what makes developed and developing world so different.

i_am_amnesiac
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/26/05 at 12:06:16 »

[quote author=confused link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=0#2 date=07/26/05 at 11:05:21]
Backlash can occur only if it has support from the people in power. Example Gujrat and Delhi in 1984. That is what makes developed and developing world so different.
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Perceptions. Perceptions my dear confused! Why is it always so, that we choose to view ourselves with a [B] little contempt [/B] ?

Have you ever gone through the crime charts in your developed countries? The no. of rapes, no. of muggings, no. of murders etc. These figures will even put to shame a state like Bihar. And talking of backlash with a capital 'B' look at Iraq. Do I need to say anything more?

Keshto
Keshto

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/26/05 at 12:32:56 »

[B]Yeh-hek...[/B] Sahi bola saab aap ne...bilkul sahi bola...

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/27/05 at 10:12:40 »

It is not contempt my friend. Like you I too take pride in being an Indian. But that really does not mean we can't discuss unpleasant things. This is an indication of how free a society is. I am not talking about crimes. Still I gave you too links to play with. Industralized nations keep good statistics. How many crimes get reported in India? But then there are criminals everywhere. In 1984 perpetrators went to hunt Sikh families with voter list and often with local congress men. Pretty much the same story in Gujarat. This is what I am talking about. While all these happened, government sat back and watched. This is pretty uncommon in industralized countries these days. Atleast in after World war II. Invasion of Iraq was not a backlash. It was planned long before 911. You may call attacking Afganistan was a backlash.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur&int=-1

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_acq&int=-1

i_am_amnesiac
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/27/05 at 17:34:06 »

well confused, while [B] playing with [/B] the two links u gave me, I discovered certain other links which prob. did not catch ur eye. Check these out too -

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/cri_rap&int=300
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/cri_tot_cri&int=300
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/cri_rob&int=300

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us/Top-Rankings

Incidentally, ur favorite USA has a lot of top rankings in the world. Some of them are -

* Crime - Adults prosecuted
* Crime - Assaults
* Crime - Burglaries
* Crime - Car thefts
* Crime - Females prosecuted
* Crime - Prisoners
* Crime - Prisoners - Per capita
* Crime - Rapes
* Crime - Software piracy losses
* Crime - Total crimes

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/28/05 at 11:13:32 »

I think you are totally missing my point here. There are definitely crimes in western societies. But how many of these were political killings? How many of these murders occured before election? How many murderers were lead to the door of victims by local politicians?

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 07/29/05 at 08:15:31 »

Exactly confused. Amnesiac has misunderstood what we were saying. It's not the crimes committed by criminals, on the contrary, there are heinous crimes in the western world probably unthinkable in India and elsewhere, but politically motivated crimes, backlash, vendata's, and bandh. Just the like the ones organised for 'Gurgaon' today. Fortunately, it was not successful, and Dasgupta must be furious. But what is the point of bandh nowadays, when it was a Ghandian concept during the 'quit India movement'. What happened should be a judicial enquiry, and the Police officer in charge in Gurgaon should have been suspended because it happened in his command. These are the kind of action that differentiate a nation from 'civil societies' vs 'feudal'. I love my country of origin, it is so sad that people always think of little and short term personal gains rather than a solution that helps the community in turn it brings long term personal gains. When we they learn?

i_am_amnesiac
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/02/05 at 16:57:37 »

Confused bhai, have u seen The Godfather trilogy? Politics and crime are interrelated. One cannot survive without the help of the other. This is a fact for India as well as for any other country. But the degree of association definitely varies from country to country. I do agree that in India the line between politicians and criminals got marred somewhere during the years. That's why we find a High Court convicting a sitting MLA of the West Bengal assembly for arson and murder, many MLAs of UP and Bihar assemblies actually won their elections while sitting inside the prison cells, we find central ministers accused and chargesheeted for diff. crimes but continuing their rule without any real challenge from anybody.

But I still believe that "Dhan dhanye pushpe bhora, amader ei basundhara, tahar majhe achhe desh ek sakal desher sera, o shey shapno diye toiree se desh smriti diye ghera, emon deshti kotha-o khunje paabe naago tumi, sokol desher raani se je amaar janmabhumi".

The steps taken by the judiciary are really commendable and I believe that with time, these scums will be cleared from the political scenario of the country.

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 08:02:43 »

Sorry to differ amnesiac. The nexus between crime, criminals, and politicians is too deep rooted, to be sorted out in our life time.

But, there is a nice story that goes something like this,

duiti gach (tree) khoob hiltese, thokon ekti brahman aaia ekti gacher niche boya bisram korer. Brahman mala jop korer. Thokon ekti gach brahman re jigailo, are brahman, amra kun din Krishna dorshan korte parmo. Brahman koilo, 10, 000 bosor pore. Ekti gach khoob beshi birokto hoilo, ar arekta gach khushi pagal hoia koilo, are, ki anondo ami ekdin Krishna dorshan karmo.

The gest of the story is 'we can all live in hope'.

P.S My written Bengali is terrible, :(believe me I speak better than that. so, apologigies for mistakes. ???

Jai Hind

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 08:33:57 »

[quote author=i_am_amnesiac link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=0#9 date=08/02/05 at 16:57:37]
Confused bhai, have u seen The Godfather trilogy?
[/quote]
You bet I saw Godfather. what a performance by Marlin Brando! If you want to talk about movies that show some unloly nexus then there are lot of movies. Remember LA confidential? As you rightly said, there is indeed corruption in developed countries too. But these corruptions very seldom touches common men. But same can't be said about our society. But despite all that India is my home. If you sing "Dhan dhanye pushpe bhora ...", I shall join you too. But it is not un petriotic to question wrong things in your society. If you question wrong deeds then only there is a chance of things getting better. Because it puts pressure on those who are in power. This is the beauty of democracy.

Didibhai, liked your fable. Did you watch dumb and dumber? In that movie one guy goes ga ga over some girl. He asks her, "what is the chance of a guy like me and gal like you getting together?". She replies "one in a million". The guy becames estatic and says " so, you are saying, I have a chance?" ;D

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 09:28:05 »

Good one Confused!

You are right, only highlighting wrongs in society puts pressure for change.

But, although my son has the Godfather trilogy on DVD I have not to this date watched it. I am only too familiar with the Al Capone story anyway. These are not really my kind of movies. Thriller and Mysteries that's me!

Count_Dracula
Count_Dracula

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 12:08:56 »

What about seeing me....[B]Oh! Me![/B]

Shankar_Chakravarti
Shankar_Chakravart

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 13:33:20 »

[quote author=didibhai link=board=0011&num=1098648959&start=0#3 date=08/03/05 at 09:22:44]
Another friend we used to call him 'Dracula' because he had couple of his canine sticking out.
[/quote]

Dracu Bhai, Tumi kita didibhai er post porso nani ? 8)Tain tumare chutobela thaki chunuin. Don’t think that you can escape with your OM mantra every time ? ::) Now be careful, Dracu !! :o :o

Count_Dracula
Count_Dracula

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 18:08:43 »

I remember drinking her blood once upon a time.....pure vegetarian blood.......I had to take Metronidazole afterwards.....[B]Oh! Me![/B]

Hakuna Matata
TIMON

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/03/05 at 18:54:44 »

;D ;D ;D ;D

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/10/05 at 10:27:17 »

amnesiac bhaya,

Nanavati commission has published its report. I am sure you know what they said. Here is something more for you to read. Let me know what do you think.
http://www.carnage84.com/affidavits/nanavati/ncapol.htm

Shovon Chakraborty
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/10/05 at 19:19:06 »

confused bhai, everybody knows what happened after Indira Gandhi's death. It's a shame that Sajjan Kumar & Jagdish Tytler & Co. got a clean chit. 1984 massacre as well as Gujarat riots were ... are deplorable things. But we have to move on, and not get burdened by the blunders of our past.

Incidentally, there was a riot some time back in, I believe, Chicago. It was also of racial origin and started when a white police officer killed a black american. Can u do me a favor? If u get the time, pls. provide the link for the reports of the enquiry commission for that one too.

Shovon Chakraborty
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/10/05 at 19:23:46 »

one more thing, if a PTI report is to be believed, there have been a sharp increase in racial hate attacks in the UK after the London bombings. Also, someone pretty high up in police ladder commented to the effect that they are not going to waste time by checking, frisking white ladies and all. Racial profiling, I believe, huh!

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 07:30:25 »

[quote author=Count_Dracula link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=15#15 date=08/03/05 at 18:08:43]
I remember drinking her blood once upon a time.....pure vegetarian blood.......I had to take Metronidazole afterwards.....[B]Oh! Me![/B]
[/quote]

Serve you right - blood sucker !! >:( >:( :o ;D

"Metronidazole is used to treat acne rosacea (adult acne), a chronic condition in which the facial skin is inflamed and sores develop. Metronidazole decreases the redness and number of sores but may not be a cure."

What side effects can this medication cause?

Increased skin redness, dryness, burning, irritation, or stinging
stomach pain & fever :'( :'( :'( :
:o :o :o :o :o

synclaire_beauty
synclaire_beauty

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 09:24:26 »

[quote author=didibhai link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=15#20 date=08/11/05 at 07:30:25]

"Metronidazole is used to treat acne rosacea (adult acne), a chronic condition in which the facial skin is inflamed and sores develop. Metronidazole decreases the redness and number of sores but may not be a cure."

[/quote]

I was wondering how could Dracula going wrong on gastric medications >:(

and was also baffled with the olpo bidya I possess regarding medicine. hastily did a google search
and was relieved to know that I had taken Metronidazole when my stomach ws upset not because I had acne ;D
saved my life ;D
and others out there, a million dollar advice-this is not a medicinal geeks/nerds thread, so do consult your docs before ingesting any medication

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 11:47:40 »

[quote author=Shovon Chakraborty link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=15#18 date=08/10/05 at 19:19:06]
Incidentally, there was a riot some time back in, I believe, Chicago. It was also of racial origin and started when a white police officer killed a black american. Can u do me a favor? If u get the time, pls. provide the link for the reports of the enquiry commission for that one too.
[/quote]
This is not the comission report. But here is the detail of the incidence you are talking about. I don't think you would like 300 pages of legal document.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
It was not in Chicago. Racial riots and lynchings were very common in early part of last century in southern states e.g Alabama, Mississippi etc.

The other comment was made by the head constable of London. But I found the incidence of killing an innocent Brazilian more disturbing.
There were numerious incidences of racially motivated incidences in UK. Similar things happened in USA after September 11th. But my point was something else. I am sure you will understand that if you read my earlier posts.

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 17:21:45 »

Sin-beauty

You were very lucky, :o 'God saved you'

among other sites here is one, and I did omit some info, as I didn't want to embarrass 'dracula' further. :o the guy is already red faced!http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682244.html! ;D ;D

Count_Dracula
Count_Dracula

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 18:03:42 »

Synclaire will always be saved....She maintains her mind in a good shape...she does not talk unwanted garbage........only one has to read carefully and understand what she says......

My face is always red by my own grace......as I drink uncontaminated blood....except for once...when I parted with my facial grandeur for a while...and then....
I had to take Metronidazole [after tasting a few cubic centimeters of your well nourished blood]...

Metronidazole is antibacterial....usually consumed in case of enteric infections........although it has other indications associated with it The common brand names uttered over the counter could be Metron DX, Flagyl, Dependal M...

The following lines may be useful to you...in some of your coveted editorial works.....

[I]Metronidazole eliminates bacteria and other microorganisms that cause infections of the reproductive system, gastrointestinal tract, skin, vagina, and other areas of the body. Antibiotics will not work for colds, flu, or other viral infections.[/I] This from Metronidazole [B]Oral[/B]

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a689011.html#why

The reference you have given applies for Metronidazole [B]Topical.[/B]

My dear Lady......[B]Oh! Me! ...Oh! Me!...Oh! Me!....[/B]

Shovon Chakraborty
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 21:31:40 »

Metronidazole ;D ;D Din't know it had side effect like this, that has been displayed above. :o :o :o Gotta inform Indian Medical Association. Eibaarer Nobel Prize amar kopale naacher. Famous silcharites-er thread ta koi? amar naam ta add kori dio. ;D ;D

mon_amar
mon_amar

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 22:56:15 »

Truly speaking, after coming to Delhi, the first summer I would always remember, I could not digest anything I ate, that was the most horrible peroid of my life!!! :'(Then my mama used to give me Metronidazole, that always saved me from my upset stomach, but you have to take the complete course of 10 capsules of Metronidazole , to get completely cured.

I have always been grateful to Metronidazole and to my Mama for saving me from the stomach ache that summer;D

synclaire_beauty
synclaire_beauty

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/11/05 at 22:58:59 »

[quote author=Count_Dracula link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=15#24 date=08/11/05 at 18:03:42]

Metronidazole is antibacterial....usually consumed in case of enteric infections........although it has other indications associated with it The common brand names uttered over the counter could be Metron DX, Flagyl, Dependal M...

[I]Metronidazole eliminates bacteria and other microorganisms that cause infections of the reproductive system, gastrointestinal tract, skin, vagina, and other areas of the body. Antibiotics will not work for colds, flu, or other viral infections.[/I] This from Metronidazole [B]Oral[/B]

The reference you have given applies for Metronidazole [B]Topical.[/B]

[/quote]
Yeah Metronidazole is basically an antibacterial
aar bacteria can infect any blessed organ of your body
But [b]Oral[/b] means jol diya giliya khaitai
and [b]topical[/b] means tube ba butole thakiya tipiya baar kortai
so obviously as one can figure out oral is for the inner part of your body ( I dont mean your aatma ;D, aatmaar osudh is only manufactured by dracula's home company)
and topical is for acne and places u can reach externally ;D

This context remind me of a buddy telling me that in the states most of the medicines have to be prescribed by a physician and when you buy the oral caplets or tablets , they are packed in personalised containers with your doc'c name and all the necessary instructions on it and of course written
[b]TO BE TAKEN BY MOUTH ONCE/TWICE A DAY[/b] ;D
I didnt know of any any other ways of ingesting a caplet

[b]US bashindaas AM I RIGHT??[/b]
OR else correct me :D

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/12/05 at 05:40:43 »

"Synclaire will always be saved....She maintains her mind in a good shape...she does not talk unwanted garbage........only one has to read carefully and understand what she says......

My face is always red by my own grace......as I drink uncontaminated blood....except for once...when I parted with my facial grandeur for a while...and then....
I had to take Metronidazole [after tasting a few cubic centimeters of your well nourished blood]..."

yeap!!! Sinclaire has beauty & brains, I have the wicked witch's danda and magic potion, wanna try some?

AAh, my well nourished blood is purely contaminated, keep drinking, works like magic. :o 8) ???

Shovon Chakraborty
i_am_amnesiac

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/13/05 at 19:20:57 »

Magic Potion! Ah ha! didibhai, can u send me some? is it the same used by asterix? then I can try my luck in boxing or wwf or something.

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/13/05 at 23:39:01 »

AAre bhaidhon Shovon,

Boin konu somoy bhai re magic potion dey na. khali bhai futa dey. :D

Ei magic potion, ek matro Count-Dracula jonnoya. Eita khawar pore jodi taar bhitorer dracula bhahir re aai, aar she abaar chotu bhai hoya jonmma loy .

Can't shake off the big sister role, always trying to protect everyone !!!! ;D ;D

synclaire_beauty
synclaire_beauty

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/13/05 at 23:44:51 »

Shovan just a heads up for you buddy! ;D
Didibhai protects her patano bhais by suggesting "pet kharaper tablet" for "mukho laaganir lagiya".

Bachke rehna re ba ba bachke rehna re!!!!! ;D ;D

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/13/05 at 23:59:52 »

Didibhai protects her patano bhais by suggesting "pet kharaper tablet" for "mukho laaganir lagiya".

Bachke rehna re ba ba bachke rehna re!!!!! ;D ;D
[/quote]

Excuse me sin-B, I never suggested to anyone. Merely pointed out its usage as per my search.

mon_amar
mon_amar

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/14/05 at 18:35:56 »

Excuse me here friends, may I request you to stop attacking personally? Why you people can never keep a healthy environment? >:( >:( >:( >:(

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/15/05 at 01:15:08 »

I agree Mon-amar, but know me from my posts, I answer back there and then and get it over with. No grudges ??? ???-----.

But agree no personal attacks. ??? ???

dead_head
dead_head

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/15/05 at 20:27:30 »

wow, never actually thought metron can start such a fight. i knew only your tummy is upset, it's to be used.

synclaire_beauty
synclaire_beauty

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/15/05 at 21:19:10 »

AM I ALLOWED TO SAY SOMETHING? ???

IF YES, then will continue or else let things go as they are :'(

Khaki_29uk
Khaki_29uk

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/17/05 at 07:04:43 »

I've lived in London for most of my life and have not experienced any sort of racism what-so-ever, before or after the attacks... I guess I'm just lucky.

Immediately after the bombing's I think everyone was on edge for a while, but things seem to have returned to how they were... well for people living in areas with large immigrant populations anyway. I hear its a different picture for those living outside major urban areas and where there are only small Muslim (and other) communities.

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/18/05 at 13:48:04 »

I think you always managed to stay at the right place at right time. Good job. But reports say that Muslim are facing some problem. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=52932
Which is not difficult to guess why. But how people really distinguish between Muslims and others? South Asians look all the same. No matter how much pride we take in our individual shades of brown, we look all the same. ;D

didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/19/05 at 00:41:09 »

There have been sporadic attacks after the bombings.
I think the Muslim community in Britain especially the youngsters are becoming aware of this menace, and trying to come to terms with their identity and their place in Britain as British Asians.

As you rightly said confused, the public cannot differentiate between Asian communities here, and so we are all very vulnerable. It is the strong legal system here that has kept the peace.

Finally, the Muslims in Britain, on the whole are very peaceful. These youngsters are the unfortunate souls who have been misguided. Even their parents are unaware of their involvement, as was with one of the London bombers. they reported him missing on the day of the bombing, only to find out later, that he was one of the suicide bombers.

I have many Muslim friends who condole such acts.

confused
confused

Re: London bombing and life after
«on: 08/19/05 at 10:40:31 »

[quote author=didibhai link=board=0011&num=1122246063&start=30#39 date=08/19/05 at 00:41:09]
I have many Muslim friends who condole such acts.
[/quote]

Unfortunately some of them condone such acts too. Have you seen the study released by Guardian?

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