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Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/01/04 at 14:15:58 »

I know there are many members, apart from Admin the great, of this Maha Adda, who are stationed in different European countries and America. As an Indian, what are your feelings? How are you looked at by the local residents or people from other countries?

Please share with all of us.

silcharor_maiya
silcharor_maiya

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/01/04 at 15:13:35 »

hmm good topic kintu kita lekhtam thik bujhiar na
aichcha lets start
ami at present London thaki..prothome aaslam Scotland o jekhano university't porlam..scotland o thaka kalin amrar rong er manush dekhar laagi khub crave hoito karon khub beshi aasil na in the place i was..aar tara khub bala reception dito..tarar kaase indian mane good food,good dressing aar gaan bajna nachanachi aar cricket..khub bala lagto aar tara amrar khawa khaibar lagia mori jaito..amra joto indian aaslam sob every saturday glasgow jaitam deshi bajar korbar lagia karon hikhano deshi manush aasil jodio beshir bhag pakistani still asian to..aar ektai cinema hall aasil jegu bollywood er films lagaito..so it was fun

okhon aasi london chakri korram..london thakia mono hoina aami england aasi na kunu carribean country ba asian country t aasi karon rasta ghat e kala,brown manush oi beshi dekha jai..khawa dawa hokkolta pawa jai starting from hidol to moka mach everything..gutkha like manikchand,pan parag,zarda hokkolta pawa jai ;)..kintu shei scotland o thakte je alada reception pawa jaito igu aar ino pawa jai na..choturdike khali bangladesh er manush chorani sutorang mono hoi silchar oi aasi karon sylheti hokkol somoi matte parram..
london o oto sylheti manush aase specially whitechapel,bricklane area t kintu aaij porjonto amrar silcharor keur loge dekha hoilo na ita dukhkho..BZ or loge ekbar phone e alap hoisil thats it aar ke aase koi aase kichu na janina
onyo jara silchar aar desh er baire aaso share ur experiences plz

das123
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Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/01/04 at 17:57:41 »

Where do you stay in London. By the way if you are staying in Bethal green or East Ham, you dont miss a lot about our life style. Same type of road side market, chat, every type of fish, sutkey and Hidol. Are U from Silchar and are you based in London. Which part of Silchar are you from, and which part of London are you from. Even I have not met any Silchari in London.

asiti
asiti

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/02/04 at 11:26:31 »

Ami bortoman-e Germany te achhi on Official duty, 6 mash, November o desho phirya jaimu. Ami thaki Darmstadt city r outskirt e ekta bishal scientific institution er [Gesselschaft fuer schwerionenforchung] housing e.

Amar nojore Indian apatoto 5 jon. Germany r ei part e te mostly dekhlam Eastern European ar Turkey public e bhorti. However, ami jarar loge kaj kori, tara dui jon Japanese ar baki sobai German .

Kotha ta hoilo attitude towards Indians. Eder onekei jane Indian mane prochondo goribi, leprosy, khaoar jol pao a jai na. Aro gurudev hoilo, meyera safe nai, education nai ityadi ityadi.

Even third world countries like Rumania, Poland er public ra jigay, India te TV achhe ni!

Ei opoprochar er lagiya ke responsible? Cannes festival o prize power lagi nirmito Indian movie? Satyajit Ray..Mrinal Sen..Shabana Azmi..Nandita Das? Jabotiyo NGO, jara bhikkhar jhuli loia shahebor pichhe pichhe ghuroin foothpath bashi der photo dekhaiya? Mother Teresa... jar kolyane local lok Kolkata jaite chaina karon shekhane leper ra thake?

Ami ekhane ekta seminar e proudly display korchhi... This is our President..He is Professor Dr. Abdul Kalam....who invented Carbon-Carbon, this is our prime minister..Dr. Manmohan Singh..Economist. This is Anand, the world chess champion. [Imagine..Just survived from telling ...this is SG our Italian PM, a college drop out].

Desh je koto boro jinish, desher baire thakle bujhha jai.

das123
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Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/02/04 at 12:15:46 »

Actually I was asking Sylethi Miya as I feel she is in UK. I am also in UK. I have been to germany for some work with ORGA in peterbrough. Its a nice place. The communication is much of a problem in Germany.

das123
Guest

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/02/04 at 12:22:43 »

I have visited quite a few enmbassy till date, but its very sad to say that the worst among them was the Indian High Commission in London. The attitude of the people working in the High Commission is same as the people working in the railway enquiry office in India. I feel, they belive they are doing a favour by serving us. They donot have any helping attitude, but they will try to make your work a more difficult one. Even I felt they really dont encourage tourist also, as its very difficult to get the VISA because of some stupid people in the embassy.

silcharor_maiya
silcharor_maiya

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/02/04 at 13:33:51 »

actually east ham o beshir bhag south indian mane tamil ra beshir bhag thake..ami thaki forest gate..e7
apne kita nitu ni?..

das123
Guest

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/02/04 at 16:48:57 »

kun Nitu. Is he or she also from Silchar.
Ami thaki Bath'a
Apne kita Silchar ni, Kon jaga silchara. Koto din dhoria asoin

Rupam
Rupam

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/03/04 at 06:24:10 »

who the heck cares what the rest of the world thinks about India...when...the there are so many Indians who take pride in self-deprecating 'humour'...
I am not referring to anyone in the messageboard...but to a few personal acquaintances who without a remorse would pass statements such as...'are India to chutiya hein....'

Building a positive image about India to the rest of the world is indeed a desirable task...and the advent of new communication channels have indeed helped the cause to a certain extent...not that there has been a complete image overhauling...but the image makeover is surely undergoing...its going to take time...and this is where individual efforts from NRIs or people who go abroad on a deputation or something is going to come very handy...

The other side to this is the disparity between India's internal problems and the Image of India that we would want to take to the world...are we sufficiently confident internally, that we can actually prove to the world that what we promise about India, we can actually deliver?
The vajpeyee government talked a whole hog about 'India shining' and they indeed used international forums to showcase a positive image for India to the world...the mandate that India gave proves the point that we have to be strong internally before we actually start harping about it...we must make Indians feel good first...only then should we start making the world feel good about India...

In the business and cultural context, these two goals have to be pursued simultaneously....and not sequentially...we have a Ranbaxy today that wantes to become a Bayer, we have an Infosys Technologies today that wants to become the IBM of tomorrow...
the mindset has to be changed....Indians have to create global orgnizations...so that other organizations of the world want to become a Ranbaxy, ONGC or Infosys...and this is where common Indians...be it inside the country or otherwise...can contribute...
Differing opinions welcome.
regards
Rupam.

krishanu_bhattjee
krishanu_bhattjee

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/03/04 at 07:46:21 »

[quote author=asiti link=board=0011&num=1088682358&start=0#3 date=07/02/04 at 11:26:31]

er lagiya ke responsible? Cannes festival o prize power lagi nirmito Indian movie? Satyajit Ray..
[/quote]

As I love and respect Satyajit Ray and his films I would like to say something regarding Asiti da's thoughts

In India, in his home country, barring some film lovers, some film appreciation classes, some film festival organisers and their kith and kins and their circles, some atel (intellectuals we call with love and respect 8)) with jhola bag , french cut, and filter less cigarette, some communist inclined minds (strange why they love him, quote him, adore him when Ray always stuck to apolitical mainstream reasoning, probably thats the way they try to be snob) and his home town (where much repeated, clicheyed Roy films turns TV TRP rate high on Sunday afternoons), I am repeating again, barring those above mention species, the mystry called Satyajit Roy remained as a museum peace for the masses of the nation where she looks upon him as some myth and somebody who brings foreign awards by selling India's poverty, even Raj Kapur's (whose shameless naked copying of mass Hollywood movies and showing Indian poverty with dosage of sex and violence are more popular in abroad) friend Nargis made a such derogatory comment some 50 years ago about Roy,

So, when a guy is very niche and limited in his own country (Pather Panchali happened in 1955) how come he can mould mass foreigner's perception about India. I know Ray's movie are still regular feature in film festivals, but that again constitute very few eye balls and is very restricted.

Now lets come back to Roy's selling India's poverty.

Probably Roy's second film was Parashpathar, its about a common man and how he deals when he gets an alladin ka chirag kind of stone.

Charulata, a jamindar barir goppo, all high status, glamour, no poverty, won Silver Bear in Berlin (Only mentioning Germany here, Asiti da, ) and some other prizes in Germany.

In Nayak film, Uttam Kumar is the hero, again a high class drama, shot extensively in then Rajdhani Express, again won some crtics award and jury award in Germany Film Fest.

Goopy Gaain Bhaga Baain, a children flim, a roopkatha or fairy tale, raja rani, no poverty stuff, won best film, best director, Golden award etc in Australia, Newzeland etc.

Not going much detail into them. Just mentioned a glimpse about the variety of themes he had taken and how (probably) bring some honour for the Industry in the International Platform without selling India's poverty.

India is perceived by as a country which ranked in top five.....in corruption, informs us by World Bank or Unesco (I dont remember.). (Discuss Roy's role on that)

India is a country where there is no basic amenities available for the countrymen.... bijli, pani, sadak, education) (What is R0y's role on that)

NGOs begging and keep begging to the world. ( thinking about Roy's role?)

Half and sometime not at all educated ministers have been doing all the dirty and uncivilised work on foreign tour since the Independence, and the tradition continues. Ray's role on that?

Every Indian (barring a few blunt, mediocre and dull student like Krishanu Bhattacharjee) who wants to fly away to foreign land at any cost, here IIT (High end research) is similar to ITI (i.e. Refrigerator mechanic, tool mechanic), bcoz thats the heaven and India is hell.

When we ourself dont love our country, how come we expect others to love us, respect us.

An interesting article 'Made in India,a paradigm shift' has come out in 12 July issue in Business World, it discusses how Jindal Steel did not use 'Made in India' mark in their exported steel years back and now they use it with pride, it discusses about Monsoon Wedding and MIra Nair, Jhoompa Lahiri, Amithabo Ghosh, Sumantra Ghosal and likes.
The article not online yet, you may read it online at Busines World's official website a week later at businessworldindia.com

Shankar_Chakravarti
Shankar_Chakravart

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/03/04 at 12:59:58 »

Dear Krishanu,
The article is already on line.

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Made in India: a paradigm shift
There is a change in the way the world sees India, thanks to our academic ‘gurus’
and the IT industry

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The author is co-founder & chief operating officer at MindTree Consulting.

SOME weeks ago I met Sajjan Jindal, managing director of Jindal Vijayanagar Steel, and his wife Sangita - an easy-going, no-chips-on-the-shoulder couple. It was late at night and what started as a social conversation took a life of its own. Jindal Steel in Bellary, Karnataka, is one of India's modern steel plants. Sajjan's experience in making world-class steel and selling it in a highly competitive global market has gone through three stages. He told me about the phases - something that every educated person in India needs to know about.

In the first stage, buyers were wary of making public the fact that they sourced steel from India. They required of Sajjan that the ingots not bear the 'Made in India' mark. Then came a stage when they reluctantly accepted that the Jindals would put those words on the ingot. Now, the tables have completely turned. Sajjan Jindal says that not only are they able to proudly imprint the country-of-origin mark on the ingot, the phrase 'Made in India' actually helps them get a premium because of perceived quality. How did this transformation happen?

To Sajjan, the steel has remained the same. Per contra, buyer mindset has changed. Behind the transformation is the role played by India's information technology (IT) industry. Sajjan told me that thanks to the brand image created by the IT industry, today it is universally perceived that Indians are smart people. If they can write software, why not make steel? The mainstreaming of India is happening - in many other very interesting and unusual ways.

Last year, my wife and I went to see Monsoon Wedding in a predominantly 'WASP' (white Anglo-Saxon Protestant) theatre near Princeton. Apart from one other Indian gentleman, only Caucasians filled the theatre. They were having the most loudly-expressed fun, and as we went back after the movie I overheard dozens of folks commenting that Mira Nair's was not just an Indian theme - Monsoon Wedding had nudged at the hearts of many others. Indians are now seen as people who can make intelligent movies for global consumption. The talk of Indian fare is of course incomplete without a mention of Bend It Like Beckham. Not to be outdone, Broadway recently presented A.R. Rahman's musical, Bombay Dreams.

My daughters study English at the Rutgers University. Sometime back there was huge excitement at the campus - guess who was coming? Jhumpa Lahiri. She was coming to spend a day with the faculty and students, and talk about her work. People like Arundhati Roy, Vikram Seth and she are whispering to the world that Indians can write fiction for a global audience.

'Made in India' is a state of mind. Today, the subliminal suggestion of that phrase has to do with intellect and universalism. It is making inroads into the psyche of ordinary people, and the indelibility of that impression is happening in many 'white space situations'. The value of their experiences is defining the collective consciousness of India. In all these, there is a sense I get of India touching the tipping point. This is a position in space and time at which a replicable idea becomes viral. There is no stopping the idea beyond the tipping point.

Malcolm Gladwell, in his book, The Tipping Point, says that reaching this point is usually a function of three things: the role played by 'connectors', the stickiness of an idea and the context itself. Connectors are people yielding disproportionately large impact, and they influence other people's thinking. The teaching-consulting variety of Indians has played a huge role in the last two decades as connectors. They have occupied a position of being credible and unbiased because it comes with a 'guru' tag. People like the late Sumantra Ghoshal,C.K. Prahalad, Vijay Govindarajan, Jagdish Sheth, Marti Subramanyam and Raghu Garud have had a huge influence on the thinking world. People like them in academia have established that Indians are intelligent, analytical, strategically competent and capable at the global level.

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asiti
asiti

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/05/04 at 15:58:22 »

Krishanu...there is no dispute about the person Satyajit Roy. I added his name just because of one movie..which depicted the genius in a movie maker to the learned audience. The common people in US and Europe would have had seen Pather Panchali as a depiction of Indian Poverty. The highly materialistic common people of the so called developed countries would not have cared for the delicate artistry of Hirok Rajar Deshe.

One of the worst campaigner of "Indian Poverty" is possibly City of Joy, that is what is reported by one of the Indian Students here. Another German lady very seriously asked me about the truth behind the report published in a book written by a German globe trotter cyclist, who went to Kolkata and wrote that common people of India are very poor. I nonetheless pointed out that I am one of the millions of common poor people of India who is also a scientist and wearing clothes and drinking beer sitting with her in a beer garden!

I agree with the point that "Made in India" lies in our mindset. Unless we ourselves are not confident of being an Indian, people would be talking like this. And it hurts when you are outside your country.

There are a couple of BONG students I met, and atleast one of them gave the hint that India is no good, no nice laws like Germany [like Germany has no drug users] etc etc. First thing is he has already schorched the seed of getting a job in my institute as long as I am there, because he has forgotten the debt of gratitude he owes to the country who has fed and educated him till the present standard. Second thing is that although he is in this country for pretty long time, he could not make friends with proper people probably. May be he is too young that's why! But I have been told by my 55 years old colleague here that drug abuse, albeit not in alarming proportion, is a dangerous trend amongst the local youth now a days. This an anecdote. What I mean to say is that misconcepts about the real picture of a country has roots on the superficial information what we gather.

Media is one of the creators of bad image of India. I need not cite any examples, all of you are well experienced about these.

asiti
asiti

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/12/04 at 10:43:28 »

Day before yesterday...

I and my colleague Hiroshi, a Jap who respects India a lot, went to Darmstadt where a mini cultual festival was going on. All food stalls from different countries, open air stage where cultural items of different countries were being performed.

We saw food stall from Kurdistan even!! Hiroshi insisted that we must find out Indian stall. He wanted to eat Indian food.

We found the stall. Small Indian paper flags fluttering. What were there/

The stall was manned by a NRI punjabi with his German wife [they are all NRIs, having a high status in India, they could be restaurent waiters too] selling lassi, abou ten dirty cloth side bags [probably picked up from Sarojini Nagar Market], old fliers of some Indian Programmes, and most important of all......guess what!!!

A chart paper, a few photographs of bare body tamil children pasted on it, and below that written in German, to donate generously to help poor children of India.

First time in my life I felt humiliated as if all my clothings were stripped off. Hiroshi saw my tears and red face, and quickly took me away from there. Clever man. He values India. I told him, India is a country of one billion people, we have many things to offer, but not this stall. He agreed.

I was a coward. I dont know the German laws, neither I know the language properly. I could not find a way to protest and fire this NRI. I wish I was accompanied by my German colleagues. Probably they could say somthing .

Krishanu.. I think, I am wrong..you are right. It is not the award hungry film makers who depict the negetive side of India. Probably it is the money hungry NRIs who are the people to be charged with treason.

Rupam
Rupam

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/12/04 at 10:56:25 »

point well taken, asiti da.
and in a way that reinforces a part of my message also.

Jimut
Jimut

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/12/04 at 14:08:07 »

Pardon my intrusion in this manner...but...

Asiti-da...chi chi...tumi bidesho giya Beer khao..Chi Chi... ;D

( oto din pore paiya ar loobh samlaitam parsi naa !! )

asiti
asiti

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/12/04 at 15:26:12 »

Aar koio nare ba

Ami itar nam dichhi..TADI

Europe e dekhram amrar favourite jinish guli khub popular nai. Jotha..Sitapati.

Hefe Weizen [pronounced as hefevaitsen] : Bavarian beer. Germany chhara ar kuno jegat paitai nai.

Desi_taro
Guest

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/12/04 at 18:28:53 »

Delhi's aia jao re ba.. Tumare ..Hefewizen o snan korite parmo..

asiti
asiti

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/13/04 at 10:49:26 »

Delhi't koi thako boss? Hefeweizen kun khano pao a jai, ektu thikana ta diyo.
For your information, I am a Delhiite. Ha Ha Ha........

Nari
Nari

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/16/04 at 23:48:19 »

Yes that's really a very nice topic started by Mr Asiti.
I'm presently in the states , i came here in 2003. The attitude of Americans towards Indians is not bad I mean my experience tells this only. And now in average every American institutions have Asians and especially Indians.
Some people I met are like, they want to know our culture about our sacred granthas.
when I first came here I thought like whether I would be able to adjust myself here but I didn't find any major problem, regarding language or anything.

vcgvcgg
Guest

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 07/18/04 at 20:18:38 »

[quote author=asiti link=board=0011&num=1088682358&start=0#0 date=07/01/04 at 14:15:58]
I know there are many members, apart from Admin the great, of this Maha Adda, who are stationed in different European countries and America. As an Indian, what are your feelings? How are you looked at by the local residents or people from other countries?

Please share with all of us.
[/quote] :o :o :o :D

sujoy@charya
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Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 06/26/05 at 00:36:24 »

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didibhai
Kavita_Gupta

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 06/26/05 at 05:40:14 »

Dear Astida

Your thread is very interesting. Surely, different people will have different experiences as 'probashi'. I came to UK in my childhood with my parents. Thing have changed alot here. When we first came there was hardly anything Indian, no Asian goods, food or clothing. I don't remember much about my primary education years, or what sort of attitude the teachers had. But, when I went to secondary school, I was just a few lucky ones to had passed an examination called 11+ and ended up in a grammer school. Out of the 600 pupil there was only 3 Asian including myself and 1 African. The school was a Methodist, and we had to go assembly and sing Christian Hymns. Our religion, culture, history or way of life was not taught in schools. In 1976, with the passing of the Race Relation Act, made it mandatory for schools to include cultural and ethnic education.

Here in the UK, you will still find section of the mainstream population well versed in the Indian culture and tradition, and the others totally aloof.

I feel that it is not the task of NRI's or film makers to promote a nation. That should be done by the government machinary.

UK spends millions on promoting itself to the world, like, China, Japan etc. Every Council district has promotion and marketing office which negotiates with the business and corporate world to bring their business into the district. For this the council provide high class infrastructure for the entrepreneur. The business and corporate industry provide employment to the local people.

India's internal problems, corruption, nexes btwn politicians and criminals, clientele politics, terrorism are all hindrance upon its development.

It is shameful that poverty is so striking in India. Of course, foriegners will be overwhelmed by it, even when I go back I can't believe the way people are made to live, its heart breaking.

I had always wanted to start a NGO for poor children, providing them with a roof and education. But, I have been warned not to, because who ever is employed will misuse the funds, plus, one needs alot of political clout in order to get things started. It is these kind of political interference that the western world cannot understand.

India needs a social revolution. The disparity btwn rich & poor is too big.

I remember a dialogue in one of Amitabhs film , can't remember the name, addressing to the politicians "panchase saal ho gaye, bharat azad hue, aap log ek glass saaf paani apni logo ko pila nahi sakte".

But, you are quite right in saying that, when one is abroad your patriotic feelings are highly aroused. As I've mentioned I came here in my childhood, but if anyone attacks India, I am never let them get away with it, I give them lecture, if that doesn't work, I tell them that all the Queens jewellery displayed in the Tower of London are not gifts from India but actually stolen including the 'Kohinoor' on the Royal Crown.

That shuts them up!

kigoobe
kigoobe

Re: Indian.. Probashe
«on: 06/26/05 at 07:03:38 »

[quote]panchase saal ho gaye, bharat azad hue, aap log ek glass saaf paani apni logo ko pila nahi sakte[/quote] The film may be 'Mein Azad hu' ... not sure though ...

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