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Gulami
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11/18/04 at 18:49:41 » |
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its been 50 years of independence......still we are working as slaves for other countries.....ektu beshi taka, ektu beshi comfort er liga....pathetic!!! |
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arshula
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Re: Gulami
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11/18/04 at 23:04:10 » |
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i understand and appreciate your problem. can you suggest a solution? |
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arua
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Re: Gulami
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11/19/04 at 15:25:05 » |
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i guess there is no solution to this problem....this is a sort of trap you know!! you can get in but you cannot get out....avimanyur moto obostha aamrar....anyway its my view..may be some of you knows the solution..... |
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No_Solu
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Re: Gulami
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11/20/04 at 15:12:04 » |
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That's correct!!! There is no solution for this problem....I think the problem also does not deserve any serious concerns....
We have not developed so much in last 50 years to have employment for so many people.. Every 1 out of 6 people in the world is an Indian ,right!!!!
Papi pett ka sawal hey bhai!!! Kitchu kaaj to korte hoibo... India tey na paele baere jaimu...
MNCs are spread across the continents.. Like us,people from other countries are also working for them... They too are leaving thier countries for such problems... Slowly world is becoming a small place .
See the chinese guys... They too are scattered across the world and they have spread much more faster than indians... In any corner of the world no mater how small is the place,you will find a chinese restaurant,some chinese students and probably a china town...
BTW,I do not think life abroad is more comfortable than your native place.. People will only satisfy thier materialistic needs and nothing else.. Given a choice, everyone will like to be in the place where he has spent his childhood...
We miss our families,festivals,friends, almost everything when we are abroad.. We lose much more than what we probably gain(this is a personal opinion)...
Tarjoinno Bindhas thako... Eto chinta koria kunu laab nae.. (Just kidding)
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Re: Gulami
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11/20/04 at 18:59:05 » |
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i think no_solu is very near to the solution but not able to exactly present it. i wanna say that ki tha root problem is population if we solve this prob we will definitly be able to solve any prob i.e ghulami in arua's sense |
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Re: Gulami
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11/21/04 at 21:31:11 » |
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Lets not go in the loop of population,corruption and unemployment... All discussion leads to this three devils.... :)
Why not population be a plus point for us?? let's compare with china whose population is more than us... The toys industry is fully dominated by these chinese guys... Most of the hardware components for PCs come from china.. These days you take any product and the probability of seeing "Made in china" is very high...
WHY??? Well,they make it cheap is the answer... Thier price are very competetive in international market... They are using the population as a weapon to produce things cheaper than anyone in the world...
All big companies in the world are making china as the hub of thier production unit...They are doing huge investments in china for this reason.. It is hardly a matter of few more years and china will be far more developed than how it is now...
Let's think how to use India's population as a step to succeed further ... may be we need few more persons like Mr. Narayan Murty,Mr. Premji, Mr. Ambani etc..These people not only gave employment to thosands of people but also helped India to earn more revenues..
Let think positive and help our country to develop further...
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arua
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Re: Gulami
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11/22/04 at 11:49:12 » |
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The main difference between India and China is that, here in India every thing is done in democratic way..do you know Chinese used to shoot the blackmarketiers on street..and in India? they are the leaders of nation...once Netaji told that after the democracy there should be Dictatorial rule for atleast 10 years, the black marketiers should be hang on streetside lampposts.....i think thats the way a country like india could have started after independence......anyway i may call our job "Gulami" or anything but still this gulami is giving us a handsome amount....but look at the average peple of India!!!POOH!! |
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Rupam
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Re: Gulami
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11/22/04 at 13:50:56 » |
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From a macro- economic perspective, the primary difference between India and China, in terms of economic planning, is that China's is a centrally planned and CONTROLLED economy. The positive feedback loop (plowing your profits back to drive more profits and growth) is constrained by a outer negative feedback loop (that of the size of the market). As long as you can stretch that binding negative feedback, you can use the positive feedback loop to propell growth.The question that hits India now is, growth to whom? an even growth or a growth that creates economic and consequently social disparity?
So while the world market has helped China to stretch that negative feedback loop, its centrally planned and controlled economy has helped it to spread the benefits to its remore corners also...and not just restrain the growth to the more prominant parts. As a reult, the disparity has not been as pronounced as in India. True, there are still some parts in Chiona that reel under poverty, but its being a centrally controlled and centrally planned economy, helps it in spreading the growth further at a much faster pace.
The low cost of production in China is not necessarily a boon of having large population. It has other important aspects...aspects more primary than population. The economies of scale that results in low cost of production, is not the labour cost alone...it also is the learning curve that you are in. Its kind of a chicken and hen situation. The more you produce, the lower is your per unit cost, the lower your per unit cost of production, the more competitive your prices are and hence the further that constraining loop goes.
Having an abundance of labour is indeed a plus, however what proportation of that is trained and skilled, is what determines your benefits.
In terms of FDI, the Chinese government though has imposed certain regulations, all too often, it conveniently turns a blind eye to some of these regulations, should that help it catch a big investing fish. The red- tapism has been brought to a minimum and you can get clearances in a whisker as compared to the days it takes in India.
Corruption is punishable as a capital crime, true...however, there are incidents and not in small numbers, where corruption has been overlooked as long as that corruption was regarding getting FDIs clearances and foreign investors permissions to set up shop in cases there were regulatory hurdles present. All that is possible, only because you have centrally placontrolled economy and an utter disregard for human rights. Fudging of figures, or whatever, China has truly earned the respect of the world as far as manufacturing goes...and as far as quality also goes.
I in now way think, that Indians working in foreign nations is a form of slavery. If someone works abroad, earns some money and gets back to India with that sum, he might as well afford a better lifestyle than the rest. Whats wrong in that? When a critical mass of such people happens, then the general economy of the place goes booming as well.
We praise China for being the manufacturing backoffice of the world, then why do we not praise India for the knowledge backoffice of the world? Its a typical customer- vendor relation, and in no way a master- servant relation. Hardcore business, as long as it makes sense.
And you dont just need a foreign MNC...you have more than a handful Indian MNCs now...so things have changed over the years...its not just Indians doing the work for outsiders...its Indians owning firms outside, Indian firms creating a brand value for themselves and slowly establishing themselves as credible business partners...and this is not just necessarily in the IT sphere...in the manufacturing and non- IT services acreas as well.
However, there is no denying that its always a better proposition to be able to generate employment and social wealth...rhather than doing those on a personal basis...and even for that being able to work with the best in places outside the country, is a necessity...because in a smaller world, its probably that ability to know and work with diverse cultures, that gives you the edge.
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Re: Gulami
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11/22/04 at 19:11:57 » |
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Yaaaa...
Ekta boi-ui lekha aarombho kori deo reba Rupam...oto gyaan ita nijer moddhye dhoriya rakha moha-paap !!! |
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Re: Gulami
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11/22/04 at 21:31:18 » |
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Oto economic gyan tyan aamar naai. Amar sdharon buddhite jeta bujhi ita oilo, Chinar econmic prosparity is proportional to its deviation from cmmunist ideology. CPC ekhon naameu khali communist roichhe, aar follow korer purapuri capitalist economy. Oboshyo political policyta ekhon-o communistor lakain roichhe, asha kora jaar aar beshi din thakto nay. Aar Chinar map-taare jodi bhangia bishleshon kora jaay, te bujha jaibo je sob oncholo marcket economy beshi follow kora oichhe, hou sob oncholor unnotio beshi. udahoron--Sanghai. Otaar laagi amrar Indiar communist okle jokhon Chinar unnotire udahoron hisabe dekhaia besh aatmoprosaad onubhob koroin, amar lakain beakkol okhlor hasi paay. Indiar unnotir ektau prescription amar sob thaki fit mone hoy, ita oilo Chinare follow kora. Aar Nehruvian era thakia jeshob socialist okhle indian economic policyre dominate korra tarar retirementor bebostha kora.
Janina sobor mot amar loge milbo ni na na. Aami oilam beakkol arua manuh, oto buddhi uddi amar nai. |
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Re: Gulami
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11/22/04 at 21:53:03 » |
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china-re andhu follow kora khub ekta bhala hoito na. oi shiaal aar kumbhirer baichar golpo ota mone aase ni? ou je shial ektau baicha bair koria kumbhir-re dekaisil.
chinat shangai-shenzen-guangzhou .. ota oilo pearl river deltar city hokol. kintu oi eastern seaboard oita baad dile, baaki desher obosta bhala nai. chinat manush ek jaiga thekia arek jaigat jaite permit lage. ou green card/work-permit oi typer jinish. itar maane hoilo - graamer gorib manushre exploit koria shohorer babu hokole poisha banaira. manufacturing industriro eku obosta. kajei bottom line oilo - 'all that glitters is not shuna'.
indian economy aar chinese economir parallel hoilo barge er loge speed boater tulona. speed boat oitar ultanir chance beshi. aar shaada chamrai china-re billion heador economy koia jela chaatra .. ota kisudin poreu lengur gutaia bhagba.
dont even think about following china :) |
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Re: Gulami
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11/23/04 at 19:31:23 » |
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nothing wrong in following someone as long as it is rational given the peculiarities and problems that each country has. India's and China's problems and assets are similar to an extent and also different in other parameters. Hence, whatever has worked or China, could be followed. However, not necessarily everything...and not necessarily in the way it was done in China.
Nehru's socialism was justified in the era that he started it...when you had a country that had to start from zero. Some of his economic policies indeed were good...propelling the heavy industries growth and in turn using it to grow the associated durables industry was laudable. All these have to be looked at keeping in mind the fact that a balance had to be struck between industrialization and agriculture. There was at that point in time no conceptnof service industry as we think of it to day. Doing the balancing act could not have been made easy through a capitalist economy.
However, in today's age, I agree, that socialism has to be done away with, only with some of its tenets preserved...because the country still needs it.
And talking of China, whether you follow it or not, you must beat it or move out of the common business areas and find niches. If we have to stay with overlapping areas of interests, we have to beat China.
Nehru's economic policies were visionary...however not his ability to execute them were the same. Else, we probably would have reached a platform to pursue capitalism with full flare now. Just might have.
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Re: Gulami
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11/25/04 at 19:08:26 » |
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Amar okhon mone hor the concept of Gulami itself is very wrong..aasole aamra bari thika oto dure thaki dekhiya amrar irokom mone hor.....imagine that you are staying in silchar and working in a s/w company in silchar......tokhon kintu aamrar otota frustation laglo na ne....because we are in our own place......silchar ba atleast northeast o amon kichu kora jay nani jate silcharer chelerar bari ghor chariya oto dure chakri korte na lage? its really pathetic that we are meeting our family members once in a year (or may be not once in a year also!!). |
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