Dear Mr Killer Modi

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Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/14/02 at 05:22:22 »

Dear Killer Modi,

Those who did the Godhra massacre were inhuman. But there is a difference. The Godhra killings were not state-sponsored, while the targeted massacres in Gujarat are state-sponsored.

Killer Modi, I guess after your death when you appear before God's court, You will give the same defense as the Islamic Jehadis.

Killer Modi, with such a massive support behind you, you must be feeling very happy and satisfied today.

But Killer Modi, everyone will have to face justice onday.
Prime minister may belong to your clan
but
GOD IS NOT HINDU OR MUSLIM.

God will treat You, Laden or any other Islamic Fundamentalist at par and you all will be booked as 'ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE'

Killer Modi, some day people will be logical and there will be a ban all fundamentalist groups, including the VHP and RSS. May be you will not be there to see this worst dream, but then onwards Fundamentalists who drinks blood will be hanged in the execution ground where you people thought of building ram mandir or masjid.

all the best till that day.

Some day, religion will be a entirely personal matter and no Vhp, Rss or Jamat will ever dare to show sign of existance.

India will win. Not you blood thirsty politicians.

From
Indian

True Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/15/02 at 04:06:46 »

Hello Mr. Indian,
this is the reason why a country like india, inspite of having abundant resources in all spheres, is laging behind. It is because people like u r it's residents.
I am surprised as to whenever any counter action is taken against any atrocity committed by minorities, people like u jump from nowhere to shout the secular slogan. What was Mr. Modi's fault??. Should we tie our hands and stop taking any action against minorities simply because we live in a secular country. Why people like u never raise their voices when atrocities r commited against hindus????
Remember the incident in Gujrat was started by the minorities( wait for the day when they will turn into majority and teach indian's like u what is secularism) and whatever happened there after was only in retaliation. So what's wrong. Should we keep quite or fight against injustice.
Gone r the days of Gandhi. In this new era we all indians(not relative but who really r) who feel for our motherland should join hands with Mr. Modi to flush the country out of traitors. I am not talking against muslims as i respect islam. But what u will say to those people who live in india but feel elated when pakistan defeats us in cricket???
Think about it Mr. Indian!!!!!!!

eavesdropper
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/15/02 at 04:51:44 »

true or false indian
what indian wrote make sense but not what u wrote.....
what atrociticities r u talking of.... majorities being torture by minorities......... if u want to do muslim cleansing do it but don't give such lame excuses JUST WRITE THE TRUTH THE FACT " FROM CHILHOOD U KNOW TO HATE MUSLIMS AND ITS AIM OF PEOPLE LIKE U TO UPROOT MUSLIMS -THEIR ONLY FAULT IS THAT UNLUCKILY THEY R BORN IN INDIA AS MUSLIMS........
NOW DON'T WRITE WHY I WROTE THEY R UNLUCKY TO BE BORN IN INDIA JUST SEE WHAT WAS THE FAULT OF MUSLIM INFANTS OF AHMEDABAD........PEOPLE LIKE U BURN THEM ALIVE EVEN BEFORE THIS BABIES COULD REALISE WHETHER THEY R HINDUS OR MUSLIM......
MY MAIN ADVICE IS SPEAK OUT THE TRUTH WHY U WANT TO KILL MUSLIMS RATHER THEN GIVING EXCUSES.... ALLEAST SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE NOT FOOLS TO BELIEVE WHATEVER U WRITE.......
REMEMBER BARKING DOGS SELDOM BITE.... IF U R MAN OF PRINCIPLES THEN START BURNING MUSLIM INFANTS RATHER THEN WASTING UR TIME IN NET........

FROM A PERSON WHO LAUGHS AT UR MENTALITY AND BACKGROUND......JIO INDIAN

Jahangir
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/15/02 at 11:29:11 »

We might blame Mr Modi for what is going on in Gujarat.
But we should first control our own dogs or Jehadis as they call themselves and clean our image from a Militant Islam to a peaceful religion for which it was Originally meant.
We Muslims should kick such Hindus like Mulayam Singh and Co. who just shed crocodile tears to get our votes.
Only then we can live peacefully with Hindus as Ture Indians

babla
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/16/02 at 04:33:47 »

Mr Modi is responsible for hundreds of Muslim families who were burnt, raped and hacked to death. And even they feel unsafe to go their villages. What happened at Godhra is regrettable but it least it was provoked by train passengers not paying for their snacks and shouting anti Muslim slogans. So instead of catching the murders.

Mr modi sat back and permitted Hindu mobs to commit dreadful atrocities against defenceless and terrified Muslims. Mr Modi ordered the police not to defend the Muslims and sometimes even the police joined in with the bloodthirsty Hindu mob! What a democracy!

Mr Modi must be charged with ‘crimes against humanity’.

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/16/02 at 08:11:40 »

True indian.. Great show!!! What a logic...!!!

If blood is your favourite drink.. u'r brain is bound to produce such analytical thinking.

Just a short note here... There are millions of Hindus in this country whose brain can never be washed with rss or vhp brand solution. That's the reason, why inspite of all efforts to move the country back to mediavel age, India still rejects all ideas of hardcore fundamentalism.

We want both brand of people to be hanged. The people who burnt train at Godhra and the People who killed afterwards in the name of revenge.

You may call us pseudo-secular or whatever you like, we will never care. We will not stop protesting whenever we see any attempt to violate fundamental rights.

Humanity is more important to us than mandir or masjid. Religion is our own private affair and we would not tolerate any intervation or dictation to that. We would like to treat both muslim and hindu fundamentalist as untouchables.

We have not yet lost our minds... in no way we would support how people had killed others in gujrat in the name of revenge.., the horrified reports of burning people, raping and how sword have hacked embryos in a pregnant mothers womb..

Nobody supported the train burning incident at godhra.. the miscreants are now behind bars and will be hanged.
but those who had commited the worst ever government sponsored crime of drinking blood in name of revenge, are moving scott free and are still rampaging.

That's where is our objection. We believe that State can never sponsor terrorism. States duty is to protect its own ctizen.

True Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/17/02 at 03:09:04 »

Well Mr. Eavesdropper, once our former prime minister Chandrashekhar said in the parliament---" if the opposition have intelligence and logical thinking capacity they can see the fact and support us, but unfortunately i can't stuff them with intelligence and logic". It goes true for u also.
Remember one thing--- Media is not everything and we can't solely depend upon their insights. So whatever we read in the newspaper and listen from the media can't be totally believed. I am a silcharite and right now in gujrat itself for my job purpose. Come here friend and see the reality for yourself. Do u have any idea of the geographical segments of Gujrat? Before commenting on anything collect the relevant data , then u can understand what i meant by atrocities commited by minorities. And regarding the fault of muslim infants like hindu infants is--- they were born to parents rooted in communilism.
Mr. Babla i don't know where from u collected those informations. Good work. Must be working with RAW.
Once again i clearify my stand--- I never meant to comment anything against a particular race or religion. But everything just can't be dragged under the secular umbrella and utilise it to defend a point. We should be fair and condemn all who commit fundamentalism. So before condemning Modi everything should be looked at and a impartial statement be made.

babla
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/18/02 at 07:57:03 »

True Indian, you're not a true Indian but a true disgrace to India! The whole outside world knows what happend and how Mr Killer Modi permitted and aided the attrocites to happen and you are defending Mr modi.

The fact that angry muslims killed those train passengers in Godhra does not warrant the whole Muslims of Gujarat to be targeted, raped and murderd by Hindu mobs who were encourged by Mr Modi silent policy of not defending the Muslims. He carefully instructed the police not to defend Muslims, who were begging the police to save them for blood thirsty Hindu mobs, who had an excellent opportunity to legally rape Muslim Women and Girls, loot goods, take over properties, kill families for the sake of killing.

Can anyone in their right mind defend what the Hindu mobs did and are doing to those Muslims who had nothing to do with the train killings.

Mr Modi should be sent to jail or executed for the consipiracy to murder innocent Muslims.

silchari_blood
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/18/02 at 09:00:35 »

well its no use just shouting over each other.. we get to accept our faults.. ting would be better then.

PaulBabu
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/18/02 at 23:50:53 »

I was recently having a light hearted conversation with an American guy over Coffee. Palestine-Israel Conflict was the topic. The point I tried to make was that where ever you find Muslims, you are bound to have bloodshed. The point I tried to make was that Islam and Terrorism are synonymous.

And I thought I had made the point. Well Until... "Palestinians have killed a lot of Israelis in the past 18 months,but not as many Muslims as the Hindus did in 1 month of Gujrat violence. So who do u think is closer to terrorism, the Palestinians or YOU Hidus in India." Thats how an outsider thinks of us, as Hindu Militants.

Well mine was a light hearted chat, too insignificant. No one heard it. Vajpayee made the same point in Goa, "Muslims don't wanna live in peace with others". The whole world now knows how highly does the Indian leader thinks of his Muslim citizens. So how does Mr Vajpayee think of us, we Hindus, we Hindu Millitants?

Is this the country I was born? Is this the country I wanna die for. The feeling of being an Indian does not make me feel proud as it used to. Far less does the feeling of being a Hindu. For 50 long years, Congress with its pro-minoritysm, played with the sentiments of Hindus. I hate congress, from the bottom of my heart I do. But never did it encourage a genocide like the BJP government did in Gujrat. The saviour of the Hindu faith, the VHP and the RSS and its political outfit, the BJP, have turned us into Millitants.

Yes, "Hindu Millitancy", a term that we have to live with for the rest of our lives.

From Times of India
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/19/02 at 05:33:17 »

'I salute you, Geetaben, from the bottom of my heart'
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SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 2002 10:55:12 PM ]

NEW DELHI: Two weeks ago, the resident editor of The Times of India in Ahmedabad sent our office in Delhi a photograph so shocking it made my stomach churn. Shocking not just for what it depicted but because, to paraphrase Barthes, "one was looking at it from inside our freedom." This was my India. This is my India.

On a hot and dusty patch of asphalt lies the naked body of a woman, Geetaben, her clothes stripped off and thrown carelessly near her. One piece of her underclothing lies a foot away from her body, the other is clutched desperately in her left hand. Her left arm is bloodied, as is her torso, which appears to have deep gashes. Her left thigh is covered in blood and she is wearing a small anklet. Her plastic chappals sit sadly alongside her lifeless body and in the middle of the photo frame is a gnarled, red, hate-filled remnant of a brick, perhaps the one her assailants used to deliver their final blow.

Geetaben was killed in Ahmedabad on March 25, in broad daylight, near a bus stop close to her home. She was a Hindu who in the eyes of the Hindu separatists currently ruling Gujarat had committed the cardinal sin of falling in love with a Muslim man. When the Sangh Parivar mobs came for him, she stood her ground long enough for him to flee. But the killers seemed more interested in her. She was dragged out, stripped naked and killed. No lethal dose of Zyklon-B delivered surreptitiously in a darkened, secluded chamber. Geetaben's murder was never meant to be a furtive, secret affair. The holocaust that Chief Minister Narendra Modi's administration presided over was engineered in the knowledge that the Indian state never punishes murderers with political connections. Delhi 1984, Bombay 1993, Gujarat 2002. Neither Congress, Third Front or BJP believes in Nurembergs.

In these troubled times, when heroes are scarce and villains abound, Geetaben deserves to be worshipped. She is Gujarat's Jhansi ki Rani, its La Passionaria. I salute you, Geetaben, from the bottom of my heart for your one brief moment of defiance. For, even in death, with your helpless, innocent body bloodied and your clothes ripped apart, you showed more courage, humanity and dignity and more fidelity to the Hindu religion than Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee has done in the past month. When the day of reckoning comes, no one will dare ask you where you were when Gujarat was burning. But when Yama waves a dossier at Mr Vajpayee and asks him how many lives he saved, what will he answer, I wonder. Will he hang his head in shame as he did at Shah-e-Alam camp in Ahmedabad? Or will he lecture the Hindu God of Death about Godhra and jehadi Muslims, and claim, as he did Wednesday, that if only Parliament had condemned the Sabarmati Express carnage, the genocide which followed would never have happened.

When I heard what Mr Vajpayee said at the BJP rally in Goa last week, I experienced the same contaminating, stomach-churning sensation of being present at a crime scene that I felt when I saw the photograph of Geetaben. Though the PM now insists he was misquoted, whichever way his words are parsed, what he told his party faithful at Goa was bone-chilling. "Wherever Muslims are," he said, painting a broad brush to describe not just the followers of Islam around the world but the one-fifth of India's citizens who happen to be Muslim, "they do not want to live with others peacefully."

At the best of times, such a statement would be unforgivable. But when you consider that he was talking about the killing of as many as 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat — and to an audience which believed this genocide was justified — one can only react in horror. Already, the Sangh is enforcing an economic boycott of Muslims. There is not a single Muslim business left in Gujarat. Photocopying stalls near Gujarati courts turn Muslim lawyers away. Men with beards are not served in restaurants and shops in the state. Muslim mothers pray their children won't call them ammi on the street. Instead of speaking out against this, Mr Vajpayee actually had the gall to say Muslims do not wish to live in peace.

For tens of millions of Indians, including those who might have flirted with the BJP, Mr Vajpayee's remarks have served as a wake-up call. At the Shah-e-Alam camp, he said the riots had shamed India. But what he said at Goa has shamed India even more.

For all his fulminations against jehad, Mr Vajpayee's ideology is equally jehadi. His party does not believe in people living in peace, in ensuring that the citizens of India — whether Hindu, Muslim or other — have the wherewithal to live as human beings. The BJP does not respect the rights of citizens or of the nation as a whole. Instead, a bogus, hollow ideology of 'Hindutva' has been erected to cover up their utter contempt for the rights of the people of India.

If historians use the phrase 'Muslim separatism' to define the struggle to carve out a Muslim nation from India in the last century, the project of the RSS-BJP could well be called 'Hindu' separatism. Separatism or secessionism is not just about the desire to create physical distance; it is as much about striving to distance oneself from the political, cultural and philosophical mores of the country. The BJP's separatist project poses as 'Hindu,' but it aims to secede from the philosophical and cultural foundations of India, including Hinduism, and from the political principles that Indians have evolved over the past 200 years of struggle for their rights.

The aim of this project is to establish a state where all Indians, including Hindus, will be devoid of rights except those which will be bestowed upon them as a privilege. Today, Mr Vajpayee tells Muslim, Christian and Sikh Indians at Goa that "we (i.e., the BJP) have allowed you freedom of worship." Tomorrow, Hindu Indians will be told what they are "allowed" to do. Those that transgress — like Geetaben, or Medha Patkar, journalists and others — will be dealt with. Gujarat has thrown a challenge to the country. The writing is on the wall. Either we stand up to defend the rights of all citizens; or we will all go down eventually

From Times of India
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/19/02 at 05:49:05 »

The above article can be viewed in Times of India website at

From Times of India
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/19/02 at 05:51:37 »

The above article can be viewed at Times of India website at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=7296104

well.....
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/24/02 at 09:13:49 »

WELL, I THINK THE EPRSON WHOS TALKING NONSENSE OUT HERE IS BABLA AND HE SHUD BE KICKED OUT.
JUST SHOUTING HERE WONT HELP U TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT, BABLA.....

Another Silchari
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/24/02 at 10:14:15 »

Babla dont think any Logically thinking Hindu will listen to this
blabbering.During partition also when Hindus were affected most,newspapers have said very bull Shitt things about RSS.
And ignoring the atrocities by Muslim League.The media
condemned the Punjabis (Hindus and Sikhs) for throwing out
all Muslims from Indian Punjab.But just kept quiet about the Hindus thrown out of Pakistan.

babla
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/25/02 at 04:04:48 »

To well.. and Another Silchari,

Who the hell are you, and why don’t you give your real name, instead of hiding behind silly names. Why should I be kicked out for speaking out against mindless mobs and Modi’s policy of targeting, murdering, raping, and looting innocent Muslim families in Gujarat! Are you saying that’s it’s OK to do these! Are you saying it’s OK to rape, murder and loot innocent families who have nothing to do with those train murders??

Have you been released or escaped from a mental hospital, if you have, then u need to be forced to go back, bcoz you’re a danger to the civilised world and to secular Bharat! What the organised Hindu mobs are doing and have done, with the help Mr Killer Modi, is a disgrace to India, why have they killed and are killing and looting INNOCENT Muslim families?? Why don’t you understand that! The people who burnt the train and the passengers must be caught and punished, but to target the whole Muslim pple of Gujarat with the help of the Chief minister is totally insane!

Another Silchari
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/26/02 at 07:21:04 »

I dont feel any need to reveal my Identity to Babla or what ever Hell you are. I only reveal my name to logical people and not to pycho people
like you who commited the crime(in Godhra) and then shout for help when your fellow memebers get killed in Revenge Attack.
You already have a Mad Country named Pakistan which was your proposed homeland and all Indian Mads(Muslims) went there only to be treated as Mohajirs
( but they have come to sense after a long treatment of 50 years and now say that partition was a big blunder).
So go there and cure yourself like the Mohajirs.We are staying in a great country India.So no worry for us.
Why are u reluctant to go to your Mad Country which was created by a rascal called Jinnah(also a Mohajir like you ).

kiran
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/26/02 at 09:29:34 »

First of all let me tell u, its not mojahir but mojahid. U -----....seem to loose all ur brains...And shall I tell u, U dont have the courage to reveal ur name in this message board because u know, if u reveal ur name like that, anyhthing might hapen to u. And now for ur information, I am a hindu and really ashamed of thinking that U are also from our culture and religion. So, now shut up and dont ever dare to come to this message board with a hidden name.

Kiran_ka_dushman
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/26/02 at 10:46:04 »

Well it shows what a fool you are.First you wrote your name
as Babla ,now as Kiran.Shala Mullar Biacha.Taking Hindu Names,you are going against your Islamic Animalism.
No Hindu(other than some ISI) agents will speak against
his own religion.
may be either you are a ISI agent(Muslim or Hindu).
I dont care to discuss with Idiots who take Hindu names
inspite of Belonging to the Jehadi Islam.
As you are concerned about the Mohajir or Mohajid whatever Hell you tell to yourselves.it clearly indicates
your background.
And let me tell you I am staying in my own country,I am not afraid of Any One.

hendrix
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/26/02 at 11:22:20 »

OH MY DEAR DEAR GOD......WHY?

Raj1
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/27/02 at 00:54:55 »

I voted for BJP in the last election. It seemed to be a lesser evil though I was rather uncomfortable with the mandir issue. With all the scams congress seemed too corrupt. Prospect of an Italian becomming India's prime minister did not seem too soothing. Also it was hard to forget the congress organised massacre of Sikhs in 1994.
But the after the recent events in Gujart and with the PM's volte face and the way his party jutify the genocide by blamming it on the minorities, I cannot help remembering Hitler and and his facist parties blamming it totally on Jews.
I wonder whom will I vote in the next election. Both the major parties have blood in their hand.
What seem most alarming is that people are happy with all these happening. They cannot differenciate between right and wrong.

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/27/02 at 04:32:51 »

Find out who is repsonsible for the current situation.

The Godhra carnage was an act of terrorism sponsored by Pakistan and was executed in connivance with "jehadi forces" based in the town, a five-member study team of the Delhi-based Council for International Affairs and Human Rights has said.

"The objective behind the Godhra carnage was to weaken Indian positions on the border and to make the area more porous for infiltrators and smugglers of drugs and arms by forcing India to divert its forces from the border to civil deployment," the team said in its report titled 'Godhra and After'.

The study team has indicted two Congress members of the Godhra Municipal Corporation -- Abdul Rehman Dhatia and Haji Bilal -- for their alleged role in the ghastly incident.

Questioning the holding of Istema -- religious gatherings -- at Godhra that were attended by a large number of foreigners despite the fact that Godhra is neither a pilgrimage centre nor a city of any tourist importance, the team observed that these were meant to ignite communal passions and acted as a "catalyst" leading to the Godhra catastrophe.

"Given the dismal economic profile of Godhra Muslims, it was intriguing to find a large number of Muslim youth, mostly unemployed, with mobile phones " said Justice D S Tewatia, former chief justice of the Calcutta high court, one of the members of the team.

To substantiate its allegations of a "Pakistani hand" in the Godhra episode, the team claimed there was a very high traffic of telephone calls from Godhra to Karachi before February 27.

Besides Tewatia, the other members of the team were senior advocate J C Batra, academician Krishan Singh, journalist Jawaharlal Kaul and a professor of Guru Jambeshwar University, Hisar, B K Kuthiala.

The report would be presented to Union Home Minister L K Advani on Monday.

Raj1
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/27/02 at 10:24:30 »

I do not know why every unrest in this country is seen as ISI mischief. A decade earlier it was CIA. Remomber those demonstrations? Now let me assume that there was ISI hand in it but if you terrorise and persecute the minorities they will be easy recruit for ISI. Do you think that 10 year old kid who saw his parents being burnt inside their house and sister being raped will ever come out of the fire of revenge? How safe do you think minorities feel in India? I saw some thread on the plight of Bangladeshi Hindus. Alas, how quiet its originator is now with the plight of minorities in his own country. Atleast Khaleda Zia government openly did not support those crimes.

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/28/02 at 00:02:00 »

My Religion is my private thing..

Who the Hell is vhp, rss or jamat to define the parameters of religion for me ?

I am proud to be a Hindu, but I feel more proud when I think that I do not share the fundamentalist ideology of those morons who drink blood in the name of religion.

hendrix
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/28/02 at 04:21:39 »

as is visible from my last posting,i was pretty badly shocked on reading the surprisingly brutal and abusive postings on a till now clean message board...i thought about it for the whole next day.none of the memories we associate with silchar when we are away are unpleasant,only the good memories remain.however,these postings act as an ugly remainder of what life can turn out to be.in fact,the day after godhra,when i called my family at silchar,i fully expected some retaliation and rioting in silchar..but was pleasantly surprise dto learn that nothing too untoward had happened.lets hope that the calm is not broken......impulsive anger in retrospect inevitably seems foolish and unnecessary.

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/28/02 at 23:24:13 »

Well,if it this icnident is not of ISI,then why there were so many telephone calls to Pakistan from Godhra before the Godhra incident.
How do poor Muslim youth of Godhra have so many Mobile phones.
Why was a religious Gathering held in Godhra the Earlier day before Godhra Incident.Godhra does not have any Muslim Holy place and no Muslim festival was there at that time.
Ask yourself these questions and then think,who is behind this incident.
And the perpetrtors have been successful in removing the soilders from the border.

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/29/02 at 08:46:06 »

So U are trying to Justify the Gujrat Genocide.

Godhra is a brutal crime. But does it permit you to kill so many innocent people, burn them alive and play with their modesty.. TELL ME??

A states duty is to protect its ctizen from violence, not to perticipate in terrorist act to take revenge on people from other community.

WHATEVER
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 04/30/02 at 06:32:15 »

[quote author=eavesdropper link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=0#2 date=04/15/02 at 04:51:44]
true or false indian
what indian wrote make sense but not what u wrote.....
what atrociticities r u talking of.... majorities being torture by minorities......... if u want to do muslim cleansing do it but don't give such lame excuses JUST WRITE THE TRUTH THE FACT " FROM CHILHOOD U KNOW TO HATE MUSLIMS AND ITS AIM OF PEOPLE LIKE U TO UPROOT MUSLIMS -THEIR ONLY FAULT IS THAT UNLUCKILY THEY R BORN IN INDIA AS MUSLIMS........
NOW DON'T WRITE WHY I WROTE THEY R UNLUCKY TO BE BORN IN INDIA JUST SEE WHAT WAS THE FAULT OF MUSLIM INFANTS OF AHMEDABAD........PEOPLE LIKE U BURN THEM ALIVE EVEN BEFORE THIS BABIES COULD REALISE WHETHER THEY R HINDUS OR MUSLIM......
MY MAIN ADVICE IS SPEAK OUT THE TRUTH WHY U WANT TO KILL MUSLIMS RATHER THEN GIVING EXCUSES.... ALLEAST SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE NOT FOOLS TO BELIEVE WHATEVER U WRITE.......
REMEMBER BARKING DOGS SELDOM BITE.... IF U R MAN OF PRINCIPLES THEN START BURNING MUSLIM INFANTS RATHER THEN WASTING UR TIME IN NET........

FROM A PERSON WHO LAUGHS AT UR MENTALITY AND BACKGROUND......JIO INDIAN
[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE OR WHAEVER WHATEVER,

YA, THE ONLY FAULT WITH THE MUSLIMS OF INDIA IS THAT THEY ARE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE BORN IN INDIA.
AND THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT HINDUS OF BANGLADESH, PAKISTAN, AND MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES IS THAT THEY ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE BORN THERE....TO ENJOY A PEACEFUL LIFE. WHY DONT YOU GO AND HAVE A LOOK AT BANGLADESH? THAT'S NEAR ENOUGH!!!!!!;D ;D ;D ;D.
ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS DISGUSTED WITH YOUR MENTALITY AND BACKGROUND.........TUJHE TO JINE KA BHI HAK NAHI HAI. BEHTAR HOGA KAHI JAAKE MAR!

God's representative
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/01/02 at 01:32:09 »

[quote author=Indian link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=0#0 date=04/14/02 at 05:22:22]
Killer Modi, I guess after your death when you appear before God's court, You will give the same defense as the Islamic Jehadis.

GOD IS NOT HINDU OR MUSLIM.

God will treat You, Laden or any other Islamic Fundamentalist at par and you all will be booked as 'ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE'

From
Indian
[/quote]

NOw now, Mr. Indian, lets not drag GOD into this matter. We Hindus have waited long enough for GOD to come and help us, but all we got is abuses from others .....that Hindus are cowards....and Hindus are leaving Bdesh cos they are afraid.. Tolerence is simply not getting us anywhere, as you can see very clearly.So u see, we simply cant afford to wait further for GOD to come and help us now. So lets keep him out of this topic. If you want to abuse someone, please do it in some other matter .

Anyway I think everyone has heard of the the proverb " God helps those who help themselves".

Raj1
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/01/02 at 22:34:59 »

Mr. Rajinder where did you get all the information about the Muslim youth in Godra getting cell phone? I did not see that news in any main streem news paper. As I said, you and like of you subscribe to very nerrow minded doctrine of Hinduvtya. As Vajpayee-ji has said "If this is Hinduvtya, we better be aware of it". Interestingly, you are talking very much like those you intend to fight. Also, that blitherint idiot "whatever" how about turning that CAPS lock off?

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/01/02 at 23:17:42 »

You jehadi rambhaktas are not prepared to listen to any logic.

Your blood washed hands wants more blood. U people justify cold blooded genocide, just because the sufferers are from other religion.

You believe in crushing other people if they do not agree with your concept of hindutva. To you, only rss, vhp or rambhktas are true hindus, the rest are pseudo secularist.

Your hero Killer Modi will go down in the pages of history as Milosevic of India, who lead the genocide and brutal torture of thousands of innocents. Who instead of protecting his citizens, led a mass movement to wipe them off. India has never before seen a unprecedented 'State sponsored' violence.

You flesh eaters, will cheer Modi always, because to you, it is a matter of pride to kill others who are of a different religion.
Any one who protest your nazi hitler like attitude will be branded as pseudo secularist.

But, remember your concept of hindutva will never impact some of the most sensible minds around. Thats why such dirty actions from you people still evokes such a countrywide protest and uproar. You can brainwash certain section of population, but a majority section of Hindu population do not like the taste of flesh and blood and will never agree with your jehadi attitude.

That's why no rss or vhp can change our concepts of hinduism. We feel proud when you call us pseudo secularist, at least we do not try to justify killings, rape and brutal torture of innocent citizens, who are at receiving end because they unfortunately belong to other religion.

guess who
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/02/02 at 08:19:09 »

[quote author=Indian link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=30#30 date=05/01/02 at 23:17:42]
You jehadi rambhaktas are not prepared to listen to any logic.

Your blood washed hands wants more blood. U people justify cold blooded genocide, just because the sufferers are from other religion.

You believe in crushing other people if they do not agree with your concept of hindutva. To you, only rss, vhp or rambhktas are true hindus, the rest are pseudo secularist.

Your hero Killer Modi will go down in the pages of history as Milosevic of India, who lead the genocide and brutal torture of thousands of innocents. Who instead of protecting his citizens, led a mass movement to wipe them off. India has never before seen a unprecedented 'State sponsored' violence.

You flesh eaters, will cheer Modi always, because to you, it is a matter of pride to kill others who are of a different religion.
Any one who protest your nazi hitler like attitude will be branded as pseudo secularist.

But, remember your concept of hindutva will never impact some of the most sensible minds around. Thats why such dirty actions from you people still evokes such a countrywide protest and uproar. You can brainwash certain section of population, but a majority section of Hindu population do not like the taste of flesh and blood and will never agree with your jehadi attitude.

That's why no rss or vhp can change our concepts of hinduism. We feel proud when you call us pseudo secularist, at least we do not try to justify killings, rape and brutal torture of innocent citizens, who are at receiving end because they unfortunately belong to other religion.

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Oh yes' we r not prepared to hear any logic. So better go to some other country like Afganistan and spread ur stupid ideas there. I'm sure people will be glad to follow your footsteps there. Kya kare, we r not at all bothered about ur RUBBISH. We r just bothered with saving ourselves.......cos its time to realise that only the fittest survive. Dont lecture people of India cos they are much better than most of the other countries. It will be worthwile for u to try ur " bak bak" somewhere else.

Who cares
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/02/02 at 09:49:57 »

Dhur !!! Idiot, 'Guess who'..

Everyone knows Indians (Minus the Morons and Idiots like u) are a excellent race. India will never progress if it can't get rid of foolish fundamentalist like u all.

Who cares of what u fundamentalist think !!! You can never destroy the sensible and logical minds of several other Indians who are not a cruel fundamentalist like u all.

The whole India will never think like the gujratis.. Very few people would accept the way u have burnt and raped innocent citizens. If u would have tried the same things in West Bengal, u would have been shot like dogs..

Even we dont care!!!!!!!!
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/03/02 at 01:28:28 »

Dhur! Tor mundu! Tui chillaile kita aamra chillaite paarina? Ami Moron hoile tui moron er baap!West Bengal er example dekhais na...........ita dine dine backward progress korer.Shobar u jaana aase!!!!!!!!!!Oto " lal jhanda" dekhaile aamrar kita ! EVEN WE DONT CARE!!!!!!!!! Tui care na korle kita? Aamra kita tore care korar lagiya boiya aasi ni? Tor "sensible " aar " logical " mind loiya ghorar ghash kaat!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW , tui ekhono Afganistan gesos na ni lectrure jharte? Ja ja het het herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! India is progressing and will always progress with US as a part of it!!!! U neednt worry.......... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

stop the rubbish!
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/03/02 at 02:11:12 »

I think this WHOCARES/INDIAN is a CP(I)M who has been kicked out of some other state, and now hes here to put forward his blah blah blahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! So its useless arguing with him, dearies.

I wonder what he'll if I give him a tight slap on his left cheek..........I hope he'll put forward his right one.

Who Cares
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/03/02 at 10:40:05 »

Shout baby !!!! Shout...!!!

Arre idiot, Thick headed fool.. u cannot change the way most of Indians think by shouting like this. Have u seen the uproar and protest accross the country against your nazi like thinking. Its the Hindus who are protesting against the brutal cocept of this genocide.

Listen morons, that Modi is a killer is known to all. You also know deep inside u'r heart that what he has done is wrong.

Take my word for this, that your loving party bjp is going to remove this modi. Shed some tears when this killer will be tried by national human rights commison.

Have u seen how Talibans are wiped off from Afghanisthan, You thick headed fundamentalists will also be wiped away from India in the same manner.

Cool down bachhu..
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/03/02 at 10:56:25 »

Heee Heee... dekh dekh...

It seems that, u have a serious allergy to the name West Bengal... Did it hurt a lot..? Aha..Chooo.. chooo.. soory dear.. can't help...

Console u'rself by thinking that West Bengal is going backward and assam (with silchar) is moving forward.
With such a progressive mind like u people how can it go backward!! At least u can get some mental peace by thinking this way.

Dont cry baby... dream that you have wiped the existence of all other religion from Indian soil.. Dream that there is no other 'Bidhormi' left to be killed. Dream that every one is coverted to your way of thinking.. Dream like a Nazi..
You will get immense peace this way.. Why waste some bandwidth in internet shouting uselessly?

And The way u fascinate Afghanisthan.. dream that your ideology is spreaded accross the border to create Hilubans (Hindu talibans)... Take care not to hit any World Trade centre on U'r way.. No Modi can save you from Big brother then..

All the Best... Dream Baby.. Dream..

Truth
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 01:53:35 »

The sangh and its affiliates have exposed themselves. An average Indian cannot stomach such ugliness of thought and deeds. There is tremendous frustration in the sangh today. It is seeing political power slipping out of its hands. People change, priorities change, aspirations change. The sangh parivar is like a mediocre film producer who has given one hit and wants to remake it. But a formula doesn’t work indefinitely. Look how the Bjp base is wiped off from the country..now someone has to search with a microscope.

This is the reason, Gujrat Violence is still continuing.. sangh parivar and bjp needs this to continue to save their own existance.

VOLTE FACE
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 02:01:20 »

April 4,Shah Alam Camp: I don't know with what face I will go abroad...how can this happen...the CM should follow Raj Dharma.

April 9, Singapore: India is an ancient country with one billion people. Let not some of the unfortunate happenings in India creat any unease in you.

April 12, Goa: Wherever there are Muslims, there is strife. Don't teach us secularism... We allow them offer prayers, follow their religion.

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 02:09:04 »

Well West Bengal is one of the best industrial paradise in the world.Here people are very progressive,very hard working and result-oriented and the result is the West Bengal economy is growing at 100(may be -100) percent rate.
Whereas Gujarat is very back ward industrially and the people
are very Lazy,do trade unions all the time,Allow infiltrators from Bangladesh to enter the state because they get lot of votes from them.
So I think I am correct,my dear comrade bhai.

Ban them all
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 02:10:59 »

There's only one way they can control the shameful
situation. Ban all religious institutions which are aggressive, violent, war-like and blood-thirsty.

We, the majority of Indians, do not want a bloodbath in the name of religion. We have brought enough insult to
the name Bharatvarsha by allowing such fundamentalist religious institutions to prosper and turn violent. We Indians do not want such aggressive, malevolent institutions in the name of religion. Say 'No', say 'Ban them now'.

Right..!! ban Them.
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 03:06:10 »

The Supreme Court on Friday issued notices to the Gujarat government, its home secretary and its director general of police on a petition seeking a CBI probe into the unabated carnage starting from the Godhra massacre in which about 1,000 persons, including women and children, have been killed.

In most riots, justice is routinely denied by crafty politicians and self-serving officers but hope still lingers.

What happened in Godhra is deplorable and should have been immediately tackled by an alert administration in a pure law-and-order management process. But it did not happen. What happened after Godhra is shameful. If the first incident is a failure, the later incidents are the sheer result of administrative impotency. Is it not the duty of a 'government' to protect all its citizens? Is it not a fact that the police has been infiltrated by political elements, that even the higher echelons of the honourable services have become impotent? There is a complete breakdown, not just of order or Government but of humanity.

The pattern of violence in Gujrat does not indicate “spontaneous” action. There was pre-planning, organization, and precision in the targeting. The manner in which targets were selected indicates that the mobs had perfect information about who was living where and owned what said officials of an investigating agency in Ahmedabad. There is also a compelling evidence of sexual violence against women. There is evidence of State and Police complicity in perpetuating crimes against women. No effort was made to protect women. The state of the relief camps, as mothers struggle to keep their children alive in the most appalling physical conditions, is indicative of the continued abdication of the State’s responsibilities. Sections of the Gujarati vernacular press played a dangerous and criminal role in promoting the violence, particularly in provoking sexual violence against women.

The extensive and intensive media coverage of the incidents of recent communal carnage in Gujarat has exposed the blatantly partisan role played by the Goverment and law- enforcement system.

Akbar Khan
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 12:20:14 »

Well ,Mr Raj1 you are the brand of people who create unnecessary problem for our Muslim community by provoking
agitated Hindus.If you people would have condemned the Godhra Cranage,then the present Carnage
In Gujarat would have been avoided.But you idiot people have provoked the Hindu feelings by
ignoring the Carnage and bringing up rubbish stories like for ex:the Kar Sevaks were responsible for their
death by kidnapping a girl from the station.

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/04/02 at 12:32:53 »

When the Bombay Blasts took place,no one made such a hue and cry ,if the Shiv Sena would have retialated in the same way as the peole are Gujarat have done.Then the same people who keep quiet during the blasts would have started crying foul at the Shiv Sena.
It is worth mentioning that during the Bombay roits when all such idiots were making hue and cry,they kept quiet when around 30 Hindu houses were burnt with the people inside,and that was the reason for the Bombay riots.
Such people who keep quiet when Hindus were suffering but start shouting when the same Hindus start Retaliating gainst Muslims should be hanged and their skin pilled out.
Same thing Happened in Punjab and Bengal during Partition.

What Vajpayee said Today.
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/06/02 at 03:52:48 »

source http://www.ndtv.com/
Monday, May 6, 2002 (New Delhi):
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The Prime Minister also said that all forms of extremism must be condemned. He said he had always opposed all forms of religious fundamentalism.

"I have been accused of talking about militant Islam, but not militant Hinduism. That's not true. At a speech I made in Delhi before the Goa speech, I had said that I accept Hindutva, Swami Vivekananda's Hindutva. But the way Hindutva is being preached today is wrong, we should stay away from it. But the media did not highlight that, critics did not read it," Vajpayee added.

Ram
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/07/02 at 09:49:17 »

Six more peoples were killed today in Ahmedabad... It has been more than 40 days and you blood thirsty vampires still want more blood.

What do you gain by killing so many innocent peoples ? All of them are ISI agent ??

Anyway, not only muslims, It seems from your postings that to you killers, whoever protests agaist your Nazi attitude are ISI agents.

The Prime Minister yesterday said, he didnt support militant hindutva, Home Minister L K Advani today admitted that the violence in Gujarat was a blot on the BJP's image...
Guilty conscience striking...!!!! may be..!!
But You dont care.. you are above humanity.. Only people belonging to your clan deserve to live.. finish of all other..

Akbar Khan
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/09/02 at 10:34:00 »

Such Hindus like Ram(or whatever the HEll your name is) should be shot like dogs every where in India.
I as a True Muslim feel that a large section of the mainstream Hindus have become our enemy because
some pseudo-secular Hindus pamper our Fundamentalist Jehadis for votes.
I clearly see that there is no effort to nail the main culprits of Godhra,which has furthur
angered the mainstream Hindus and the subsequent revenge action.

if u please.....
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/10/02 at 13:55:41 »

Well, I think I should talk some sense into the heads of these NEW SAVIOURS of the country. Every type of genocide is a brutal crime, be it in India or in some other country, be it Muslims killing Hindus or Hindus killing Muslims. But, here’s my question to Babla and Indian ( if these two are really different persons)--- Why do you have to first shout at the Hindus? Since the killings in Gujarat started with the Godhra incident, you should have first condemned the Godhra killings, and then the riots. If I am not mistaken, you started with blaming only the Hindus, and when the others started arguing, then only you did them a favour by saying that Godhra is a brutal crime as well, isn’t it?????? Why was it so? What type of secularism is it, which you have to start with abusing the Hindus first?
If you want to portray yourselves as true secular persons, why don’t you start from the very beginning instead of jumping in from nowhere and landing straight into the house of infants (that too Muslims of course) who were killed in Gujarat? Since you are so much bothered about these data, why don’t you also keep track of the number of Hindus who have been killed in India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan since 1947? And do please include a report of the Hindu infants who had been either killed or orphaned all these years. That will indeed help many people here……….

Lastly, I think that, if you people had taken a little trouble to start with condemning the Godhra massacre, there wouldn’t have aroused such a bitter argument. Weren’t there infants too, in the train? Weren’t there any women or old people? Did you bother to think about them even once? No, I don’t think so. You reserved your tears very lovingly for others, and this type of partial judgement will of course be regarded as silly. So don’t blame the others for opposing you here.

Anyway... whatever happened... all these shud have never taken place , and of course I the Guj killings shud not go on this way....

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/11/02 at 02:56:37 »

Almost 3 Months have passed after Gujrat Carnage had started. Indefinite Curfew still continues, Newspaper headline everyday reports killing and more killings of innocents in Gujrat. Reports of how you have carefully orchestrated brutal attack against other communities, how mercilessly you have committed crime against women are appearing in Media across the country and globe. You know inside your heart that you cannot characterize the violence in Gujarat as a mere riot, you know what happened was a state-sponsored, supported and even state-directed orgy of ethnic cleansing. You know that the Police and Government will watch silently. You are elated that the other community had been taught a lesson. Your Ideology makes you feel proud for Gujrat’s killer. On the back ground of all these, your Saffron Brigade continues with cold-blooded calculations on how much the party would benefit from the communal carnage and whether a snap poll will help the party regain the ground it appeared to be losing a little while ago. Sometimes you feel uneasy on protests across the country, about how your leaders hang their head in shame. Then you need something to hide your bloodied hands.. You need a cover to hide your prominent incisors and.. you meekly try to protest by the logic which you also know will not be able to justify the Government sponsored carnage in Gujrat.

It is difficult to say whether you people who are supporting and trying to justify Gujrat Violence are merely savage or truly evil. You think that What happened in Gujrat is justified on the ground that it might fetch victory for Hindutva. To be frank, what we are actually witnessing is raakhasatva. The Bhagavad Gita describes the characteristic of the raakshasa as: asau maya hatah shatruh, hanishye cha aparaanicha. Ishwaroham aham, bhogi, siddhoham, balavaan, sukhi. (Thus, have I destroyed the enemy; so shall I the others. I am the Lord, the enjoyer. I am perfect, strong and happy!)
Is that not an apt description of you communalists? Is not your culture the same as that of the raakshasas?

Let Me Reiterate parts of what I had written earlier in My Second Posting.

" We want both brand of people to be hanged. The people who burnt train at Godhra and the People who killed afterwards in the name of revenge. You may call us pseudo-secular or whatever you like, we will never care. We will not stop protesting whenever we see any attempt to violate fundamental rights. Humanity is more important to us than mandir or masjid. Religion is our own private affair and we would not tolerate any intervention or dictation to that. We would like to treat both muslim and hindu fundamentalist as untouchables. Nobody supported the train burning incident at godhra.. the miscreants are now behind bars and will be hanged. but those who had committed the worst ever government-sponsored crime of drinking blood in name of revenge, are moving scott free and are still rampaging.
That's where is our objection. We believe that State can never sponsor terrorism. States duty is to protect its own citizen."

I know what I had written above is illegible to you people because the color of the Font is not Saffron !!

Maybe
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/11/02 at 05:09:47 »

You don't need to be ashamed after you read this. That you may feel proud or not is your own choice.

Barkha Dutt's report on The Rape Of Reason

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20020513&fname=Column+Barkha+Dutt+%28F%29&sid=1

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/12/02 at 04:56:48 »

Pseudo-seculars should be ashamed by what Shah Alam or Akbar Khan has replied to their false propaganda.

We know u
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/12/02 at 22:59:12 »

Good Nazi styled propaganda.. dear Rajendra alias Shah Alam alias Akbar khan.

And who else do you know?
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/13/02 at 01:30:29 »

[quote author=We know u link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=45#51 date=05/12/02 at 22:59:12]
Good Nazi styled propaganda.. dear Rajendra alias Shah Alam alias Akbar khan.
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My..my.....and here we were thinking that they were different entities. Now since you are taking such trouble to let us know that,could you also enlighten us further by letting us know whether this WHO CARES ,INDIAN, MAYBE, COOL DOWN BACHHU are the same or not? Or are they your different names??? ;D ;D ;D

Yes
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/13/02 at 05:02:55 »

You are right rajendra and co,
You see physically who cares, Indian all these may be different entities,but logically they are a single entity.
This is the unified voice of sensible and rational citizens who will protest any violation of fundamental rights.

They do not support blood bath in the name of religion. They are against all kind of fundamentalist organization be it Hindu or Muslim, They are against all kinds of people who differentiate and kill in the name of religion.
They are the people who will always resist nazi concepts and brutal genocides.

You see Rajendra and co, these kind of people are not limited to the few who are expressing themseleves in this website, just open your eyes and see how your actions are condemned all over India and World, how everyday media is exposing the facts on a shameless state-sponsored genocide. The whole world, irrespective of religion caste and creed is watching you and saying shame on you for your role and support in a genocide.

Akbar Khan
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/13/02 at 08:34:58 »

Well, MAY BE or who the hell you are,you are always there to provoke the Muslim Community against Hindus. If you are so concerned about us,why dont you go to Gujarat and try to protect our Muslims Brothers.I know you will not do it,you pseudo -seculars or a (Jehadi coming here under a different name) are there just to provoke Hindus and get oppurtunities to write stories and get name and Fame.

i care!
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/14/02 at 05:26:48 »

[quote author=Who Cares link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=30#35 date=05/03/02 at 10:40:05]
Shout baby !!!! Shout...!!!

Arre idiot, Thick headed fool.. u cannot change the way most of Indians think by shouting like this. Have u seen the uproar and protest accross the country against your nazi like thinking. Its the Hindus who are protesting against the brutal cocept of this genocide.

Listen morons, that Modi is a killer is known to all. You also know deep inside u'r heart that what he has done is wrong.

Take my word for this, that your loving party bjp is going to remove this modi. Shed some tears when this killer will be tried by national human rights commison.

Have u seen how Talibans are wiped off from Afghanisthan, You thick headed fundamentalists will also be wiped away from India in the same manner.

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There’s a saying “ If wishes were horses, beggars could have ridden them”. So if your calling out names at us helped, then certainly u wud have been the most intelligent human being in this earth. And, talking of calling out names, everyone knows how to give “gaalis”. Should we start a competition on that topic as well?
By the way, its so happy to learn that u r probing deep inside our hearts to see what we r feeling……thanx for the concern. I’ll certainly save some tears for the killers---Cant disappoint you. As it is , we always have been the most considerate and tolerant race in this earth. But nowadays, since u have mentioned it, we r seriously thinking of taking up Nazi policies, Mr. Naxalbari Zindabad.

If hindus are saying anything in favour of muslims, this just calls to prove that they have a big heart and nothing else. and the only muslim who is saying sthing in favour of the hindus here, turns out to be another hindu in disguise after all...... does he?

i care!
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/14/02 at 05:35:06 »

Forgot to mention another thing--- if baby, fool, thickhead, moron etc are synonymous to you, why dont u save these sweet names for ur real life babies??? I, for one, am not ur baby, even if u want to be my Papa the Gr8!!!!!!

anti-allergy
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/14/02 at 05:41:38 »

[quote author=Cool down bachhu.. link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=30#36 date=05/03/02 at 10:56:25]
Heee Heee... dekh dekh...

It seems that, u have a serious allergy to the name West Bengal... Did it hurt a lot..? Aha..Chooo.. chooo.. soory dear.. can't help...

Console u'rself by thinking that West Bengal is going backward and assam (with silchar) is moving forward.
With such a progressive mind like u people how can it go backward!! At least u can get some mental peace by thinking this way.

Dont cry baby... dream that you have wiped the existence of all other religion from Indian soil.. Dream that there is no other 'Bidhormi' left to be killed. Dream that every one is coverted to your way of thinking.. Dream like a Nazi..
You will get immense peace this way.. Why waste some bandwidth in internet shouting uselessly?

And The way u fascinate Afghanisthan.. dream that your ideology is spreaded accross the border to create Hilubans (Hindu talibans)... Take care not to hit any World Trade centre on U'r way.. No Modi can save you from Big brother then..

All the Best... Dream Baby.. Dream..

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Ahaha..tsk tsk…...it seems you r the one who’s the most sensitive to WB …..why shud I be allergetic to that state now? did it seem to u that way? aha……so so……sad…….….i have a house there in WB too….ishhhh now did THAT hurt u, honeybee…bumblebee.....sweetypie….. as for dreaming, why shud i imagine that my ideology spreads here and there? do U dream that way? that’s your prob, dearie…and if I am shouting here, why r u listening ? does it appeal to u that much? no? not at all? Oh..i understand, maybe u r disturbed....ooh..... its u who needs some peace..……. So why don’t u take some rest now?and some sleep too?
And then, dream yourself…..all the best…happy dreaming…..

Sudipto
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/14/02 at 09:25:21 »

In most crimes, the guilty can be divided into two categories. There are those who commit the evil deed and there are those who choose not to see it. Those who still refuse to acknowledge the full magnitude of the calculated and inhuman attacks in Gujarat probably do not want to destroy their comfortable illusions.

What happened in Gujrat in its monthlong carnage is neither a communal riot in ordinary sense nor just 'violence' as the media prefers to call it with an air of neutrality. It was unmistakably a pogrom, a systematic, targeted massacre of innocent people with the "full complicity, consent and direct involvement of the state and a good chunk of Gujrat's power elite". In cruelty and horror it surpassed all other communal incidents of the past.

As the government kept rationalising the carnage 'as natural reaction' or 'backlash' to an earlier carnage at Godhra, the pogrom apparently unleashed by the trained cadres of the 'Sangh Parivar' in a pre planned manner took its further toll. However a degree of sobriety was visible on the part of the government due mainly to one factor: a profound sense of public revulsion that was stirred up by the carnage. Moreover the government could not be oblivious of the international public relation disaster that can be produced by this most serious blood bath of 'ethnic cleansing'. Vajpayee denounced the riots in Gujrat as a 'disgrace' and a 'scar on nation's conscience'. Even LK Advani condemned the carnage by saying that the 'riots that claimed hundreds of lives were as reprehensible and as base an act of terror as the event which ostensibly triggered it'. Describing the Gujarat violence as "unfortunate" and "unacceptable", External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh sought to dispel apprehensions that India's credibility in the international community had gone down to zero.

The point is that it happened at all. Our problem is that we are still too numb to come to terms with the enormity of what has happened, still too unwilling to accept that Indians could have behaved with such savagery towards each other. So, we spend our time finding excuses and blaming each other. We turn a national tragedy into a debating issue. But the dead of Gujarat deserve more; they certainly deserve better than the moral ambiguities of cause and effect.

SAVE_YOUR_ASS
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 02:32:31 »

[quote author=Rajendra link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=30#43 date=05/04/02 at 12:32:53]
When the Bombay Blasts took place,no one made such a hue and cry ,if the Shiv Sena would have retialated in the same way as the peole are Gujarat have done.Then the same people who keep quiet during the blasts would have started crying foul at the Shiv Sena.
It is worth mentioning that during the Bombay roits when all such idiots were making hue and cry,they kept quiet when around 30 Hindu houses were burnt with the people inside,and that was the reason for the Bombay riots.
Such people who keep quiet when Hindus were suffering but start shouting when the same Hindus start Retaliating gainst Muslims should be hanged and their skin pilled out.
Same thing Happened in Punjab and Bengal during Partition.

[/quote]

the bomb blast and riots are just EVENTS. What was the cause man?? When you dare to touch a masjid, you should be prepared for the hell you are bring over yourself. pray to your idols that the culprits were forgotten and unnoticed. If such things are repeated, even the idols cant help YOU, and you know that very well.

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 03:12:19 »

Mr Ass.. You should abstain from such postings here..

The world does not move by cause effect theorem always..

Every action of Fundamentalism, terrorism and hatered against people has to be condemned. Be it Bombay bomb blast, Bombay riots, or Godhra carnage or Gujrat violence.

Fundamentalists, be it Hindu or Muslim will always try to justify their misdeeds. It is for sensible citizens to resist these Fundamentalists and Nazi concepts.

Your posting here is in bad taste and is entirely out of context.

U said it urself!
Guest

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 05:27:48 »

[quote author=SAVE_YOUR_ASS link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=45#59 date=05/15/02 at 02:32:31]

the bomb blast and riots are just EVENTS. What was the cause man?? When you dare to touch a masjid, you should be prepared for the hell you are bring over yourself. pray to your idols that the culprits were forgotten and unnoticed. If such things are repeated, even the idols cant help YOU, and you know that very well.
[/quote]

Mr Ass, your posting just shows what a bad taste you have. People have hundreds of replies to give you, dont you understand that? If the touching of a masjid can lead to an EVENT, what can the burning of a whole train lead to? If you believe in an eye for an eye, please dont then critisize whatever is happening in Gujarat either , 'cos you dont have any right to. In one way, you are justifying all types of crimes, as every criminal can justify himself in your language.

Either way,I think the life of a human being is more precious than the walls of a mandir/masjid/church/synagogue or any other place.

Coincidence
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 05:28:04 »

I noticed a interesting similarity in the E-mail Ids in most of the postings of Rajendra and Akbar Khan. (The email id will appear if you click the icon on the Lefthand side of Posting, below name).

Akbar Khan kjskasja@lksak.com
hjahsja@saksjak.com
Rajendra ajskajsk@sasjlka.com
jdhsjshaj@skjdks.com
dskdskjdk@dsajdks.com

The general Trend is to fill e-mail Ids with Junk while you post.. but Such a similarity in Junk..!! ;) ;D ;D

I believe this is only a coincidence..!! ;D ;) ;) ;D ;)

Some more maybes
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 06:08:42 »

[quote author=Maybe link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=45#49 date=05/11/02 at 05:09:47]
You don't need to be ashamed after you read this. That you may feel proud or not is your own choice.

Barkha Dutt's report on The Rape Of Reason

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20020513&fname=Column+Barkha+Dutt+%28F%29&sid=1

[/quote]
Well, thanx, its really a good article and of course we should all be very ashamed of whatever happened…..its very disgusting. Here are some more to go with it:

These are from the J&K

1997: 7 hindu pandits killed .

1998:

1) 27 hindus killed in Udhampur, Jammu.
2) 16 hindus murdered in the Doda district.

60 more people killed( maybe a combination of hindus , muslims, Sikhs etc…)

1999:
1) Militants kill 11 hindus in Rajouri, 9 hindus in Udhampur.
2) 15 hindus murdered in Anantanag.
3) Another 15 hindus killed in Doda.

2000:
1) 5 hindu drivers murdered.
2) 35 Sikhs murdered.
3) 31 pilgrims were killed on their way to Amarnath.
4) 11 hindus killed in Doda again.

And 30 more people…combination.

2001:
Around 100 people killed in Rajouri and Srinagar.

2002:
39 people killed to date.

And god knows how many injured…..

"blitherint"...hahaha...
Guest

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 06:46:24 »

[quote author=Raj1 link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=15#29 date=05/01/02 at 22:34:59]
Also, that blitherint idiot "whatever" how about turning that CAPS lock off?
[/quote]

RAJ1 OR WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS, DON’T YOU THINK ITS ENTIRELY UPTO MY CHOICE WHETHER I TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF OR NOT? ANYWAY, NOW THAT U HAVE GIVEN ME A REASON TO PONDER, MAY I TELL U SOMETHING? BEFORE YOU CALL SOMEONE A “blitherint” (THOUGH I THINK IT SHOULD BE BLITHERING) IDIOT, WHY DON’T U TAKE THE TROUBLE TO IMPROVE YOUR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR?? WITH YOUR KIND OF SPELLINGS LIKE “streem”, “neerow”, “hinduvtya” AND “remomber”, WHO ARE U KIDDING? SHOULDN’T YOU BE TERMED AS AN IDIOT INSTEAD?

IF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM IS DISTURBED WITH MY CAPS LOCK, I APOLOGIZE, AND DON’T WORRY, IT WON’T BE THERE FROM NOW ONWARDS.

Ram
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 07:15:52 »

What the Terrorists do in Kashmir is barbaric. They should be wiped off the Indian soil. All terrorist camps should be crushed and terrorists should be killed mercilessly.

But one observation here, These Terrorist acts are not supported by any Indian state or central govenment.

What happened in Gujrat should not be supported by the govenment there. Both the Goverment and Law authority has shamelessly supported the genocide and participated in the killing.

There lies the objection. How can a goverment support the killings and rapings of innocent ctizens?

Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/15/02 at 07:58:01 »

There are certain obligations of governance that admit of no dilution for ideological purposes: they are binding and absolute. The first of these is the obligation to maintain the rule of law. The appropriate response to the atrocity at Godhra would have been to prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of the law: indeed they deserve the most extreme punishment that is legally available. But in choosing instead to encourage retribution through mob violence, the government has permanently endangered all its citizens, including those whose interests it endeavoured to advance.

Secondly, a modern state is by definition under an obligation to establish a monopoly of sanctioned violence within the territory under its control. Any state which attempts to dodge this obligation, for no matter what purpose, does so at its own peril

Finally, one of the least remarked but most important foundations of government lies in the ethical authority that is vested in it. Citizens look to their government not only to maintain order and deliver goods and services, but also to serve as a forum for the conduct of a collective ethical life. This unacknowledged duty is in fact one of the invisible pillars of legitimate government. In publicly endorsing the actions of a mob, the present government has undermined the Indian state's ethical claims to legitimacy.

These are three foundational aspects of statecraft and their exigencies bind all governments, irrespective of party affiliation. That incumbents in power should differ in their political beliefs is an inevitable fact of democracy. However, the basic responsibilities of government allow no such room for dissension: they bind all incumbents, irrespective of their beliefs. In betraying these fundamental principles of governance, the state and central government have undermined the foundations of the Indian state and permanently endangered all its citizens.

it continues....
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/16/02 at 05:08:42 »

Well, there's nothing anyone can say, if the Govt. supports terrorism. It’s unethical to defend the Govt. then. So the chapter is closed on that matter. BUT, and there's a big but --- how can you say that the Govt. of any other state hasn’t supported any terrorist act till date? There are different types of supporting here….one is to defend terrorism verbally, and another is to help terrorism through the back door.( Both are equally bad).
Whenever there's a terrorist attack, we see that the number of Jawans and civilians killed is more than the number of terrorists. It’s as if the militants know everything beforehand. It’s hard to believe that these are sheer coincidences. Someone must have tipped them….. we do have a large number of spies in our country.
And this is happening since a long time, long before this BJP came to power. Just because we don’t have the evidence, doesn’t mean the Govt. wasn’t involved. Evidences can be wiped off very easily.
And so this will continue....... the media might bring down one Govt. ,but the other will turn out to be worse.

rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/17/02 at 09:58:57 »

Shout 'maybe' or whoever you are, shout as much as you can with whatever logic you want about Gujarat.
Whatever happened has happened for the good.you cannot stop it ,right.
If you would have gone to stop the happenings there.
you would have been in Hell now.Go there if you are so concerned to help your brothers.
Why wasting your energy here.

Now But let me clarify ,I dont have any requirement to hide or change my name to idiots like you.
Why do you want to provoke Liebral Muslims like Akbar Khan,that is why Godhra
happened and its subsequent result?
Why do you expect every one to be a Jehadi like you?
Why dont you reveal your real Jehadi Name instead of taking names like Ram,Maybe,idiot etc.

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/17/02 at 10:00:39 »

Shout 'maybe' or whoever you are, shout as much as you can with whatever logic you want about Gujarat.
Whatever happened has happened for the good.you cannot stop it ,right.
If you would have gone to stop the happenings there.
you would have been in Hell now.Go there if you are so concerned to help your brothers.
Why wasting your energy here.

Now But let me clarify ,I dont have any requirement to hide or change my name to idiots like you.
Why do you want to provoke Liberal Muslims like Akbar Khan,that is why Godhra happened and its subsequent result?
Why do you expect every one to be a Jehadi like you?
Why dont you reveal your real Jehadi Name instead of taking names like Ram,Maybe,idiot etc.

Sudipto
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/20/02 at 08:09:34 »

How does it matter if Rajendra and Akbar khan are same or different ?

Accross the Globe Terrorism and Fundamentalism has a unified name, if it is laden in Afganisthan, it is narendra in gujrat, rajendra in silchar, jahangir in bangladesh, lashkar in kashmir. All such fundamentalists supports killing people in name of religion.

rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/20/02 at 09:30:08 »

Well Mr Sudipto for your info,
out of 1,50,000 refugees in Gujarat,50000 are Hindus.
But every one keeps quiet about it.Which is also another form
of terrorism

Sudipto
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/20/02 at 10:03:45 »

Is it Mr Rajendra ?? What a shame.. no National newspaper or Electronic Media reported that.., How partial !!!! No body in parliament debate, pointed this also.. too bad.. Bjp should have highlighted this atleast..

I think True nationalist, Honest and Politically correct mouth piece of vhp or rss or bajrang dal must have highlighted this.

Thanks Mr Rajendra.. you had been very informative, accurate and logical throughout this topic..India badly needs a leader like you to lead from the front to wipe off all non believers. All the best.

ojeen
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/20/02 at 21:06:52 »

Read this article:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/may/13rajeev.htm

And, there is a link at the bottom for part II; take a look at that as well.

rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/20/02 at 23:33:58 »

Well,
Sudipto alias maybe ,do you agree and have any answer to the article posted by ojeen.
why do you people keep quiet about the Pundits in kashmir.

Sudipto
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/21/02 at 09:22:19 »

So?? Mr Rajendra? what to do? kill every one who does not believe in your ideology?

Now would you argue that because some Sikhs killed Mrs. Gandhi, what happened in its aftermath was somehow "justified or condonable"?

Would you argue that if some Hindus go and destroy a masjid, it is okay for Muslims to start destroying Hindu temples?

Would you argue that if one did not share the kar sevaks' belief, one had the right to brutally, inhumanly, burn them to death?

Would you argue that because a Muslim mob burnt Hindu kar sevaks, other Muslims have to be taught a lesson and be therefore burnt to death in revenge?

Tell me, Who would argue that this in turn gives a licence for this vicious circle of revenge to be carried on indefinitely?

Do you agree that the law of the land has to take supremacy, irrespective of the religious identity of the guilty ?

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/22/02 at 02:48:15 »

Well I asked why do people like you alias maybe alias Ram alias some Aziz keep quiet and give some excuses by justifying that Hindus were responsible for their own suffering
like you came out with some theories about the Kar Sevaks starting the trouble by Kidnapping the vendor's girl from the station .
Such hypocritic behaviour enhances the reaction of the otheriwse silent and good natured Hindus.
PLease read the article in rediff properly and educate your Muslim brothers that we have tolerated to the maximum extend possible ,its enough now.

Ram
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/22/02 at 04:08:21 »

Well.. Sudipto, there is no need to convince Rajendra.. hardcore fundamentalists like him will listen to no logic.
Look at the kind of Inflammatory postings he is making..

[quote author=Rajendra link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=60#69 date=05/17/02 at 10:00:39]
Shout 'maybe' or whoever you are, shout as much as you can with whatever logic you want about Gujarat.
Whatever happened has happened for the good.you cannot stop it ,right.
If you would have gone to stop the happenings there.
you would have been in Hell now.Go there if you are so concerned to help your brothers.
Why wasting your energy here.

[/quote]

Do you think that the posting above can come from any rational mind?

Rajendra
Guest

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/22/02 at 07:27:38 »

Well Mr Ram or Sudipto why are you beating around the bush talking non-sense.why dont you have the guts to reply to my earlier posting about Kashmiri pundits and atroicities on Hindus .

Ram
Guest

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/22/02 at 10:02:13 »

Rajendra FYI...

[quote author=Ram link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=60#65 date=05/15/02 at 07:15:52]
What the Terrorists do in Kashmir is barbaric. They should be wiped off the Indian soil. All terrorist camps should be crushed and terrorists should be killed mercilessly.

But one observation here, These Terrorist acts are not supported by any Indian state or central govenment.

What happened in Gujrat should not be supported by the govenment there. Both the Goverment and Law authority has shamelessly supported the genocide and participated in the killing.

There lies the objection. How can a goverment support the killings and rapings of innocent ctizens?
[/quote]

Rajendra, I see you are now trying to bank on that internet article to save your face, I have one question to ask you here..
The first para of that article says..
"The events in Gujarat recently have been extremely deplorable. Nobody covered themselves with glory. The murders in Godhra were an outrage, a crime against humanity. The riots that followed were also a crime against humanity. The perpetrators should be found, tried and punished forthwith. And the State failed miserably in its duty and responsibility of protecting its citizens and of dealing with the criminals."

Do you agree with the statement above??

You had been craftly tampering and twisting facts Rajendra.
I believe no body in this topic, tried to justify Godhra carnage. Most of the peole who opposed you tried to say logically that 'what happened in Gujarat was not right', most of them condemned both muslim and hindu fundamentalism, many had opposed killing in the name of religion be it killing of hindu or islam.
But you have branded all of them as pseudosecularist, isi agents and want to peel their skin off..

I have one more question to ask you Rajendra,
As you know, The Prime Minister said that all forms of extremism must be condemned. He said he had always opposed all forms of religious fundamentalism."I have been accused of talking about militant Islam, but not militant Hinduism. That's not true. At a speech I made in Delhi before the Goa speech, I had said that I accept Hindutva, Swami Vivekananda's Hindutva. But the way Hindutva is being preached today is wrong, we should stay away from it. But the media did not highlight that, critics did not read it," Vajpayee added.

Now Rajendra, tell me.. Do you think he is a pseudosecularist or isi agent??

The overwhelming majority of the Indian population are religious and at the same time they are tolerant and respectful of each other's failths. But a handful, determined, small group posing as self-appointed guardians of Hindutva want to impose their will by force. This is fascism and this is the danger we are witnessing in this message board.

That a few voice in this message board stood against all form of communalism, and condemned killings in the name of religion, makes me feel that the violence in Gujarat is an aberration. It is the creation of undesirable elements that are fortunately not large in number. The majority of our people, I am convinced, will get over this catastrophe so that India can continue its march towards becoming a just society and an internationally competitive and self-reliant economy.

Rajendra
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/23/02 at 00:49:14 »

Well my problem is you people ignore the problems faced by Hindus in Kashmir,Bangadesh but when any MUslims are klled ,you make a hue and cry???

Why????

Just like that....
Guest

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 05/24/02 at 13:18:08 »

It’s evident from the newspapers and magazines that the press reaction has been greater in Gujarat than in any other communal riot so far. Some people have gone so far as to say that they “haven’t witnessed such a great tragedy till date”. Hasn’t anyone heard of any other riot or killings in our country? Since 1947? Or maybe these people are suffering from Amnesia. Even now, not only Muslims were killed in Gujarat, Hindus were there too. It’s impossible that the Muslims would sit silently to witness their fellow beings being killed. No one in their sound mind can defend the killings of Muslims in Gujarat, but that doesn’t go on to prove that this is Hindu militancy. 90% of terrorists in the neighboring countries belong to the Muslim community, and no one has the guts to say that the bulk of terrorism is Islam’s contribution. Its always “ A little exception, otherwise they are very peace-loving people”. No one dares to say otherwise, because they know that they’ll get a good kick on the ass from the Muslims if they do. They know that a war will break out if they dare to utter anything bad against the Muslims.

So, why should the Gujarat incident lead the world to believe that Hindus have killed more Muslims than vice versa? This is only because we are helping them think so. We take pride in saying that we are bad, and all the other religions are good. We take pride in distributing cassettes and pictures of Muslim women and children being killed (Mind it, only Muslim, not people of any other religion). We take pride in criticizing our fellow beings because know that if we do so, we will be applauded everywhere for being so honest (?). That is the reason why we project the stories of Muslims being tortured here and there, and I remember someone in this room saying that “FROM CHILHOOD U KNOW TO HATE MUSLIMS AND ITS AIM OF PEOPLE LIKE U TO UPROOT MUSLIMS -THEIR ONLY FAULT IS THAT UNLUCKILY THEY R BORN IN INDIA AS MUSLIMS........
NOW DON'T WRITE WHY I WROTE THEY R UNLUCKY TO BE BORN IN INDIA JUST SEE WHAT WAS THE FAULT OF MUSLIM INFANTS OF AHMEDABAD........PEOPLE LIKE U BURN THEM ALIVE EVEN BEFORE THIS BABIES COULD REALISE WHETHER THEY ARE HINDUS OR MUSLIMS. MY MAIN ADVICE IS SPEAK OUT THE TRUTH WHY U WANT TO KILL MUSLIMS RATHER THEN GIVING EXCUSES”. Now what does that mean? What if we say the same? That people like the author are taught to hate Hindus and etc? (They have shown proofs enough for us to believe that.) I have seen Muslims living in Silchar, deliberately avoiding the topic of Pak terrorism, as if they belong to Pakistan and not India. What if we say that the train which was burned had innocent children whose only fault was that they were Hindus? That people like the author burnt them alive? Our main advice too could be “ To speak out the truth that they hate Hindus, rather than giving excuses”.

A few days back, a Priest and a member of the Church were murdered mercilessly in Bangladesh. And here Mr. Raj 1 is praising Khaleda Zia , whose policies are not unknown to us. Atrocities are committed on Hindus in Bangladesh every now and then. Maybe it’s better for Mr. Raj1 if our Govt. starts following the footsteps of his great leader Khaleda Begum - Burn all Masjids here, keep a straight face, shed some crocodile tears, and say that the incidents are very unfortunate. Where were you when the Bangladesh army tortured our 16 Jawans ( Muslims were there too) to death and that too in savage ways? Has anyone been punished till date? I don’t know. I’ll be grateful if someone lets me know.

This is one of the most tragic ironies. On one hand there is a religion that has been known all over the centuries for terrorizing others, and is still free from any criticism. One the other hand there is a religion that has constantly been facing problems in some form or the other, and still is supposed to keep its patience till the day comes when “there is none left to tolerate anything - till that race is wiped out entirely”. It’s really surprising that one incident can lead the whole world to believe that Hindus are militants and etc. Here I am not trying to defend Hindu militancy, not for a second. NO, what I mean to say that there can be no comparison between the two. We have had enough of tyranny. Its time to raise our voices. No, not through any acts like the Gujarat massacre…there has to some other way……..

Of course there are exceptions in both cases. Here we are talking about the 80% - 90%. Nothing in this world is true or false to 100%.

Lastly, people in this room who are speaking against the Gujarat killinga are Hindus as well as Muslims. That’s perfectly fine and okay. Everyone should criticize it and Mr. Modi too. BUt Rajendra, why do you have to pose as a Muslim to post messages? Let the real Muslim people here show their real feelings…. You don’t have to contribute for them. This goes for the Muslims here too, who are using Hindu names, like that Kiran or whatever.

I know I have written too much, but at least this is my own opinion , and I haven’t copied anything from The Times or some other magazine.

dsb
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi./ ???????
«on: 06/14/02 at 06:24:46 »

??? YOU SO CALLED LITERATE, AMUSED WITH YOUR SUPERFACIAL KNOWLEDGE BANKS, ASUMING TAT PEOPLE BURNT IN THE TRAIN AT GODRA WERE INHUMANS. i MYSELF DO NOT JUSTIFY THE ACTS OF ATROCIOUS ENDS BUT SUCH STORY LIKE THAT OF GEETABEN ARE ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. iF SOMEBODY WITNESSED IT WHY DID THAT SOMEBODY NOT SAVE OR EVEN TRY TO SAVE GEETABEN. AND YES THE TIMES OF INDIA IS A KNOWN FOR ITS PARTIAL APPROACH. LETS FACE THE REALITY AND NOT MAKE STORIES THAT MAKES NEWS.I SALUTE TOI's ABILITY TO CREATE MINDBOGLING STORIES.
[quote author=From Times of India link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=0#10 date=04/19/02 at 05:33:17]
'I salute you, Geetaben, from the bottom of my heart'
--------------------------------------------------------
SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 2002 10:55:12 PM ]

NEW DELHI: Two weeks ago, the resident editor of The Times of India in Ahmedabad sent our office in Delhi a photograph so shocking it made my stomach churn. Shocking not just for what it depicted but because, to paraphrase Barthes, "one was looking at it from inside our freedom." This was my India. This is my India.

On a hot and dusty patch of asphalt lies the naked body of a woman, Geetaben, her clothes stripped off and thrown carelessly near her. One piece of her underclothing lies a foot away from her body, the other is clutched desperately in her left hand. Her left arm is bloodied, as is her torso, which appears to have deep gashes. Her left thigh is covered in blood and she is wearing a small anklet. Her plastic chappals sit sadly alongside her lifeless body and in the middle of the photo frame is a gnarled, red, hate-filled remnant of a brick, perhaps the one her assailants used to deliver their final blow.

Geetaben was killed in Ahmedabad on March 25, in broad daylight, near a bus stop close to her home. She was a Hindu who in the eyes of the Hindu separatists currently ruling Gujarat had committed the cardinal sin of falling in love with a Muslim man. When the Sangh Parivar mobs came for him, she stood her ground long enough for him to flee. But the killers seemed more interested in her. She was dragged out, stripped naked and killed. No lethal dose of Zyklon-B delivered surreptitiously in a darkened, secluded chamber. Geetaben's murder was never meant to be a furtive, secret affair. The holocaust that Chief Minister Narendra Modi's administration presided over was engineered in the knowledge that the Indian state never punishes murderers with political connections. Delhi 1984, Bombay 1993, Gujarat 2002. Neither Congress, Third Front or BJP believes in Nurembergs.

In these troubled times, when heroes are scarce and villains abound, Geetaben deserves to be worshipped. She is Gujarat's Jhansi ki Rani, its La Passionaria. I salute you, Geetaben, from the bottom of my heart for your one brief moment of defiance. For, even in death, with your helpless, innocent body bloodied and your clothes ripped apart, you showed more courage, humanity and dignity and more fidelity to the Hindu religion than Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee has done in the past month. When the day of reckoning comes, no one will dare ask you where you were when Gujarat was burning. But when Yama waves a dossier at Mr Vajpayee and asks him how many lives he saved, what will he answer, I wonder. Will he hang his head in shame as he did at Shah-e-Alam camp in Ahmedabad? Or will he lecture the Hindu God of Death about Godhra and jehadi Muslims, and claim, as he did Wednesday, that if only Parliament had condemned the Sabarmati Express carnage, the genocide which followed would never have happened.

When I heard what Mr Vajpayee said at the BJP rally in Goa last week, I experienced the same contaminating, stomach-churning sensation of being present at a crime scene that I felt when I saw the photograph of Geetaben. Though the PM now insists he was misquoted, whichever way his words are parsed, what he told his party faithful at Goa was bone-chilling. "Wherever Muslims are," he said, painting a broad brush to describe not just the followers of Islam around the world but the one-fifth of India's citizens who happen to be Muslim, "they do not want to live with others peacefully."

At the best of times, such a statement would be unforgivable. But when you consider that he was talking about the killing of as many as 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat — and to an audience which believed this genocide was justified — one can only react in horror. Already, the Sangh is enforcing an economic boycott of Muslims. There is not a single Muslim business left in Gujarat. Photocopying stalls near Gujarati courts turn Muslim lawyers away. Men with beards are not served in restaurants and shops in the state. Muslim mothers pray their children won't call them ammi on the street. Instead of speaking out against this, Mr Vajpayee actually had the gall to say Muslims do not wish to live in peace.

For tens of millions of Indians, including those who might have flirted with the BJP, Mr Vajpayee's remarks have served as a wake-up call. At the Shah-e-Alam camp, he said the riots had shamed India. But what he said at Goa has shamed India even more.

For all his fulminations against jehad, Mr Vajpayee's ideology is equally jehadi. His party does not believe in people living in peace, in ensuring that the citizens of India — whether Hindu, Muslim or other — have the wherewithal to live as human beings. The BJP does not respect the rights of citizens or of the nation as a whole. Instead, a bogus, hollow ideology of 'Hindutva' has been erected to cover up their utter contempt for the rights of the people of India.

If historians use the phrase 'Muslim separatism' to define the struggle to carve out a Muslim nation from India in the last century, the project of the RSS-BJP could well be called 'Hindu' separatism. Separatism or secessionism is not just about the desire to create physical distance; it is as much about striving to distance oneself from the political, cultural and philosophical mores of the country. The BJP's separatist project poses as 'Hindu,' but it aims to secede from the philosophical and cultural foundations of India, including Hinduism, and from the political principles that Indians have evolved over the past 200 years of struggle for their rights.

The aim of this project is to establish a state where all Indians, including Hindus, will be devoid of rights except those which will be bestowed upon them as a privilege. Today, Mr Vajpayee tells Muslim, Christian and Sikh Indians at Goa that "we (i.e., the BJP) have allowed you freedom of worship." Tomorrow, Hindu Indians will be told what they are "allowed" to do. Those that transgress — like Geetaben, or Medha Patkar, journalists and others — will be dealt with. Gujarat has thrown a challenge to the country. The writing is on the wall. Either we stand up to defend the rights of all citizens; or we will all go down eventually

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Nothing Happened
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/14/02 at 08:26:13 »

Yes bhai..

Times of India, Indian Express, Hindusthan Times, The Hindu, NDTV and all english Media (Include Anandabazar, Bartaman, Aaajkal) are pseudosecularist and anti nationals. National Human rights commision is a total antinational organisation. They have all falsely reported the brutal and inhuman tortures that women in Gujrat suffered. You know, they have also cooked up stories like Geetaben and so many women who had been raped or sexually assulted and charred to death. Nothing actually happened in Gujrat. All are false stories propagated by pseudosecularists. The true story can only be found in Gujrati news paper like Sandesh or VHP pamphlates or RSS meetings.. right?

I think instead of complaining in this website, you should write a protest letter to Times of India. You can also try and file a legal suite against them.

But I have a small question to you. You said, "BUT SUCH STORY LIKE THAT OF GEETABEN ARE ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. iF SOMEBODY WITNESSED IT WHY DID THAT SOMEBODY NOT SAVE OR EVEN TRY TO SAVE GEETABEN."..
Tell me Bhai, If people had courage to save Geetaben, they could have saved others women too. Do you think any one had courage to rescue a victim from a bloodthirsty mob in Gujrat... As per Times of India, Geetaben died to save the life of Her Muslim Fiancee..Don't u think anyone trying to save Geetaben would have ended his life too ??

Just asking.. bhai..
anyway nothing actually happened in Gujrat. No rapes, No killings. Right !!!

dsb
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/17/02 at 04:33:22 »

;D ???IT IS REALLY SURPRISING FOR A PERSON WITH THE HIDDEN NAME TO HIGHLIGHT THE TRUTH OF GUJARAT. I WAS JUST MAKING A REMARK ON THE GITABEN STORY. I HAVE NO WHERE SAID IN MY COMPLAINT (AS YOU CALL IT) THAT NO GITABEN OCCURRED, IT WAS ONLY THE STYLE & PATTERN OF OCCURRENCE WHICH PERSUADES ME TO DOUBT THE VERY INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE STORY. I AM WELL AWARE THAT WE HAVE COWARDS LIKE YOU IN OUR COUNTRY WHO NEITHER HAVE THE POWER NOR THE INTENTION OF SAVING GITABEN OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY DESTITUTE WOMEN. I NEVER GENERALISED AND NEVER SAID THAT NOTHING HAPPENED IN GUJARAT BUT I WAS INDEED SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT THE NATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION DID VISIT AHMEDABAD TO WEIGH THE SUFFERINGS OF THE HUMAN BEINGS THERE BUT THEN WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION WHEN PEOPLE WERE CHARRED IN GODRA. MAY I PUT THIS QUESTION, PEOPLE WHO DIED IN GODRA, WERE THEY INHUMANS OR PROBABLY THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION WAS SLEEPING THEN JUST TO WAKE UP ON LATER OCCASIONS. I AM NOT ON A BEATING AROUND THE BUSH SPREE. NEITHER I WANT TO MAKE MY POINT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT. IF YOU WANT TO REPLY TO THIS, PLEASE REPLY SENSE, TOO MUCH OF SARCASM SPREADS OUT OF YOUR REPLY. PLEASE DO NOT MIND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUGGEST A DECENT REPLY.

Nothing happened
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/17/02 at 05:51:02 »

Can you please turn your 'Caps Lock' Off. Thanks !!

Hidden name?? huh.. Who can gurantee DSB is a true name?? This is cyberworld, you can be under a fake identity even if you use Mahaadda id and password. Do u get it?..
Say, you opt for Maha Adda user name XYZ (not guest, but having userid and password), now who knows you are narendra or praveen or dsb.. so dont bragg a lot about hidden names.

Lot's had already been discussed on this message board why people were Silent (!!) on Godhra but vocal on Gujrat. I don't want to lenghthen this further. If I say, Godhra is a inhuman crime and all the guilty should be hanged and then say that what happened in Gujrat is a shame on Human ethics and value, people here in this message board will brand me as 'Desh ka Gaddar' (I mean anti BJP or VHP !!), pseudosecular.

So I think you can get the best answers from vhp pamphlets and rss meetings. They are the best persons to teach you how to teach other community a lesson.

Something Happened
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/20/02 at 02:43:03 »

Hi Nothing Happened,
Dont worry,the matter n Gujarat is cool,we managed to avoid any International intervention .
The so called Refugees(your brothers) are also being send home.The Tax payers money will not be used to fed such useless people.
Also Thanks to the India-Pak Stand off.Dont try to bring up such Junk issues again.
Think about making India Strong Economically and Militarily.

Amit
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/20/02 at 08:12:14 »

[quote author=Something Happened link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=75#86 date=06/20/02 at 02:43:03]
Hi Nothing Happened,
Dont worry,the matter n Gujarat is cool,we managed to avoid any International intervention .
The so called Refugees(your brothers) are also being send home.The Tax payers money will not be used to fed such useless people.
Also Thanks to the India-Pak Stand off.Dont try to bring up such Junk issues again.
Think about making India Strong Economically and Militarily.
[/quote]

Something happened, How can India ever emerge as a Strong Nation if it has Thick head Dumbos like you ? And how can India become strong economically ? By following your rss branded Swadeshi Jagaran Manch's economic philosophy?? ;D ;D

Your vhp and bajrang dal goondas are quite a millitary power against unarmed innocent citizens(specially against women, as they did in Gujrat), they had been proving this fact for the years. But to face enemy in war requires real courage and none of those goondas will ever have the mental strength to make it to the battle grounds. Your goondas are better off in provoking people to create communal tensions, to loot and rampage, to burn and rape innocent civilians. Did any of your goondas voulenteer to become martyr in Kargil war?

Something happened
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/20/02 at 11:16:14 »

First of all Please dont take Hindu names.
Well Gujarat is attracting investment worth thousand of Crores after the riots also.So whatever you say about Bajrang Dal,RSS ,nothing will help.
RSS people are not Brainless like your jammat-islami or LeT .
Musharaf will listen to your argument.Go there and tell him.

Rupam
Rupam

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/20/02 at 14:22:02 »

dear friends...no doubt the topic has had so many replies and views...and one thing thats heartening is the fact that...despite attempts at mudslinging by some of the perticipants...at who knows whom...the topic has not deviated from its due course...and for that due accolades to all...
seeing so many views being expressed here...coudnt just stop myself from keying in a few words myself...
the flare up in Gujarat as far as I am concerned cannot be justified in any civic society on any terms...absolutely no way...and I am sure at this starting point, there would be many would would like to sling me for having hurt their heros of the gujarat 'CRUSADE'...
and for the views that I will express here...some people might think I am hiding my religion...for them...you can verify the authenticity of my being a Hindu by checking with my family in Silchar...or with the webmanager of the site who knows me pretty well to quash your misgivings

anyways...getting back to the issue...what happened in Gujarat was nothing but a pogrom...nothing but the images of holocaust revisited and am sure even for the people of gujarat for whom the communal flareups bring along a sense of deja vu, this dastardy incident of mass violence has been something absolutely out of the ordinary...
crusade? balls...what crusade man?on what grounds can you justify the killing of fellow beings? on what grounds do you justify the killings of the economic prospects...the hopes ...the dreams of the people of a state? if the incident at godhra was politically and religiously motivated...then the true reaction to that would have been the immediate arrest of the perpetrators and not letting the mass take up matters in their own hands...and this one affair alone proves beyond doubt the failure of the administration there...otherwise why do you think that the flames never spead out to nearby Bombay...that the other parts of the coutry remained nochalanced to the shameless tickling of religious pyrotechniques? what makes you believe that when the countrywide 1992 riots could have been controlled, a statewide riot cannot be? what the ****ing game of double standards being played here? you those who justify this genocide should ask yourselves a basic question...which is more important...the country or politics? yes man...this has not been a choice between country and religion...this has been a choice between country and politics...the crooked politicians who never made any attempts at controlling the riots,...what do that lose? nothing...their daughters get married with more famfare than we have during gandhimela...their sons get foreign degrees...their relatiives get better jobs...who loses? only the people in Gujarat? not you and me? do you and me not lose the chance that we could have reaped should there not have been a disruption of the of FDIs in India...do you and me not lose the chance to make the best out of a new world order? have your and my money through taxes not been lost? who pays for these losses? that bugger modi? that stinking pandeya? nopes...its my taxpeyrs' money and hence I do have a right to question the accountability of the administration...
do not site about the atrocities mated out to the Hindis in bangladesh...yes...those on the Pundits in Kash is deplored by the strongest terms...but certainley not the 'Hindus' in Bangladesh...as far as my country is concerned...I am concerned with MY people...Hindus and others alike...but yes...on humanitarian grounds...I do have a concern for the 'CITIZENS' of bangladesh...because they are humans and not because they are Hindus...
your ideas are welcome on this...should they bear weight and reason...and having an eye on the development of the country not just religion after all its still desh mere, desh mere / meri jaan haain tuu'
seeya

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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/21/02 at 03:44:25 »

Thanks for at least remembering the Pundits in Kashmir.Do you have something to say about Atroicities of Indian Army in Kashmir.
Not about LeT or jais-e-Mohammed ,because they are fighting a just cause,right?

Rupam
Rupam

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/21/02 at 04:48:42 »

nah as far as I am concerned...the atrocities (reported) by the army ...are a consequence of the militant activities and not a cause of it...
and simply because that is described as a jehad doesnt give you the reason to vindicate the vandalism in gujarat
what say?

Amit
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/26/02 at 08:36:51 »

[quote author=Something happened link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=75#88 date=06/20/02 at 11:16:14]

First of all Please dont take Hindu names.

[/quote]

[b] Ha Ha.. so funny.. :) :) Do you think only vhp goondas has the right to take Hindu names ? Listen buddy there are countless Hindus in this universe who are not blood suckers like you. [/b]

[quote author=Something happened link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=75#88 date=06/20/02 at 11:16:14]

Well Gujarat is attracting investment worth thousand of Crores after the riots also.So whatever you say about Bajrang Dal,RSS ,nothing will help.

[/quote]

;D ;D sorry.. cant help a loud laugh at your style of senseless propaganda..
It seems from your word that the world is so happy with Gujrat genocide that they are investing whole heartedly in Gujrat. By the way, can you show any actual statistics in support of your claim ?( please don't quote rss or Vhp websites). Buddy, our Finance Minister was lamenting that day only on economic losses because of Gujarat.

[quote author=Something happened link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=75#88 date=06/20/02 at 11:16:14]

RSS people are not Brainless like your jammat-islami or LeT .
Musharaf will listen to your argument.Go there and tell him.

[/quote]

jamat-islami, let, rss are all same. All brainless bunch of killers.

One speaker in this thread said " violence in Gujarat is an aberration. It is the creation of undesirable elements that are fortunately not large in number. The majority of our people, I am convinced, will get over this catastrophe so that India can continue its march towards becoming a just society and an internationally competitive and self-reliant economy."

I also feel the same and think that undesiarable elements like "Something happened" will be left out of the society someday. Law of the Country will take care of justice irrespective of the religious identity of the guilty.

I pray to God that, criminals in Godhra and Gujrat violence be given the capital punishment. They should be Hanged till death.

Rupam
Rupam

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/26/02 at 12:48:09 »

very true amit...I hope all these wont turn out to be mere instances of wishful thinking...yes, a capital punishment to the perpetrators of any instance of communal or sectoral based violennce would surely be the herbinger of the end of such dastardly crimes in the country...am sure this also would remain a wishful thinking...after all we live in a world in which we as individuals or as parts of the society all play games of double standards without any qualms ...the possible way out of this would be a change in the mindset of the ensuing generation.
but that doesnt seem to be coming soon.

Indian
Indian

Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 06/29/02 at 10:00:37 »

[quote author=Rupam link=board=0011&num=1018779742&start=90#93 date=06/26/02 at 12:48:09]
very true amit...I hope all these wont turn out to be mere instances of wishful thinking...yes, a capital punishment to the perpetrators of any instance of communal or sectoral based violennce would surely be the herbinger of the end of such dastardly crimes in the country...am sure this also would remain a wishful thinking...after all we live in a world in which we as individuals or as parts of the society all play games of double standards without any qualms ...the possible way out of this would be a change in the mindset of the ensuing generation.
but that doesnt seem to be coming soon.
[/quote]

Rupam and Amit, I too feel the same. When I started this topic, I wrote " Some day, religion will be a entirely personal matter and no Vhp, Rss or Jamat will ever dare to show sign of existance. India will win. Not blood thirsty politicians."

This may not be a distant dream. Thought process of millions of People like you will make the difference and lead India to its new heights.

Another Indian
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 07/02/02 at 03:09:37 »

Well Rupam and amit,we can onvince Hindus to forgot their religion,but who will take care of LeT,JeM,Jammats etc

dsbhattacharya
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 07/29/02 at 02:23:13 »

??? ::) :-/
From Secularabad to Secularisthan don't they know India is Secular
Should any one not point out as to how the Indian media
think-tanks had embarked on a crusade to prove Godhra was spontaneous, and
the ensuing riots were pre-planned. Public outrage and anger at Godhra was
discounted since Indians were peace loving people, and no matter how great
the provocation they would never come on the streets to express their anger.
The media expected outraged people to sit in the house and write complain
letters to the editors thereby proving their "secular" credentials. After
all how can you expect a minority community to burn members of the majority
community in such a ghastly and brutal manner?
It was the mother of all races. A race to prove who is the most "secular"
of the Indian media. In this race the Indian media became the self-styled
champion of the "victimized" minority community. The "Mother Theresa" of the
"miscreants of Godhra". After all how dare the Hindus go to Ayodhya? How
dare the Hindus demand a temple? Don't the Hindus know that India is
secular?
Don't the Hindus know that they must not spoil their secular image in
front of the world. And the Hindus who don't heed to this "doctrine of
secularism of the Indian media" deserved what they got at Godhra. So who
cares? After all as some newspapers carried it, why did they have to provoke
the Muslims by saying slogans of Lord Ram? So what if the Muslim mosques
blare out indecipherable verses in Arabic. Don't they know India is
"secular"?
An intrigued mind would obviously dwell deep into the articles, read
between the lines. On doing so one finds an interesting link to the sequence
of articles written by the media that point to the possibility of this idea
being "planted" into media circles.
On closure scrutiny one finds that a story was published regarding the
spontaneity versus being pre-planned versions. The Indian Express carried a
story supporting the version that Godhra was spontaneous, all the petrol
bombs, the large mob etc were all spontaneous. Whereas the ensuing riots
were pre- planned. This was dated: 09-03-2002 written by Darshan Desai
titled "Godhra: for clues to attack, you can start visiting Signal Fadia"
for the Indian Express. The very next day similar story was carried by the
Times of India titled "What happened in Godhra?" dated: 10-03-2002. Then the
National Herald carried a similar story Titled "Godhra to Gandhinagar:
nobody knows the truth dated: 10-03-2002. It was the TV News channel Star
News which then picked up these stories and made a presentation supporting
the view that Godhra was spontaneous and the ensuing riots were pre-planned.
Infact Star News even showed an "edited" interview of the DIG (CID)
in-charge of Godhra investigations stating that Godhra could have been
spontaneous, which the DIG (CID) then gave in writing that his interview was
used in a wrong context, and that investigations were still going on.
The Indian media seems to be playing a relay game. First one newspaper
prints something, then the next day another news paper carries it without
even checking for the facts. The third day a third newspaper carries it.
Then a news channel covers its and makes it into breaking news. And soon
this is the accepted view, and becomes "gospel truth". This is how the media
in India seems to run on planted stories, which eventually get exposed, but
then who cares, public memory as it is short.
Even tragic events like Gulbarg Society and Chimanpura were portrayed by
media as being pre-planned. We all know the case of the much proclaimed
goddess of twists and concoctions Arundhati Roy, and her story in the
Outlook magazine, of her writing things like Ehsaan Jafri's daughters being
stripped naked in front of their father, raped in front of him, and then cut
to pieces in front of him. When Ehsaan Jafri's son took strong exception to
this and said that his sister/s were in the US, the great goddess of twists
and concoctions Arundhati Roy gave an apology in an ensuing edition. But
what was the use? The damage had been done. This was not the only case.
Infact future concoctions were so bad that a criminal complain had to be
launched against Arundhati Roy by an NGO.
The much proclaimed and awaited FSL Report (Forensic Science Laboratory
Report) has been quoted and re-quoted and re-re-quoted in the Indian media.
However in the re-re-re quotations one sees the resemblance to a game of
Chinese whispers. Someone said something, someone else added some
interpretation to it, another someone added another interpretation to it,
and soon so much spin was added to the original fact that it conveyed a
totally different story. So what happens if a little masala is added to the
stories? So what if there is no law to check such kind of dubious and
twisted stories? So what if a certain section of the media twists freedom of
press to such an extent that even a Pakistani militant may become a member
of the press in India, and if arrested, be assured of continuous support in
the form of twisted, spurious theories and stories appearing in his support
in the Indian media for a long time. After all jungle mei moor naacha kisne
dekha????......
On the FSL report the Indian Express presents an article with a title,
"Govt. not bothered about FSL report on S-6 coach" dt: 10-07-2002. In its
body the article states, "The report is also contrary to the theory
propagated so far that the train was attacked by an unruly mob, which throw
inflammable liquid inside the bogie, using buckets, and cans while the
passengers had shut all the windows and doors."
Now this article is so spurious as it represents the entire Godhra
incident as false. It dubiously and selectively uses the FSL report in
putting forth the media's own interpretations. The journalist writing this
report has stated that the FSL report is contrary to the theory that the
train was attacked by an unruly mob! This is so ridiculous, that editors of
leading newspapers allow such lies and iniquitous stories to appear. If the
train was not attacked then why did the people close the windows and doors?
If the mob was not throwing stones, and other things then why did the people
shut the windows and bolted the doors? But who cares, don't the readers know
that people who died in Godhra were Hindus, and that India is "secular",
afterall jungle mei moor naach kisne dekha.?....
The next point is focused on the FSL reports mentioning that atleast 60
litres of petrol had been used. Now the media goes a step forward in its
attempt to disprove the theory of the train being attacked from outside,
forgetting the huge amount of stones, the broken pieces of glass or the
dents made by the stones. In the Times of India articles titled, "How did 60
litres of petrol make it to S-6?" dt: 10-07-2002 written by Bharat Desai,
the article expresses surprise that the police still do not have any
eye-witnesses to the act of pouring petrol in the bogie" it states,
"Surprisingly, however the police still do not have an sinlge eye-witness,
mentioned in the charge-sheet who has testified that the petrol was poured
into the compartment from the aisle adjoining berth 72, as suggested by the
FSL.
The journalist Bharat Desai of the Times of India exhibits an
extra-ordinary lack of common sense that a train compartment in India is
quite long in length. From berth 72 to berth 1 there is a lot of distance.
In a second class compartment the place is cramped as it is with seats on
both side of the aisle. When the compartment and it is crowded with both
people and their baggage it becomes very time consuming to go from one side
of the compartment to the other. When it is a long distance train obviously
there is a lot of baggage. Coupled with this the windows and doors being
closed, and people all attempting to escape from the other side, it becomes
all the more difficult for a person from or near berth 72 who could have
witnessed the act of pouring in petrol, having the ability to distinguish
the smell of petrol from other hydro-carbon derivative within the urgency of
the moment, and crossing the entire length of the Second Class compartment
crowded with panicking people and their luggage and remaining alive
by somehow bypassing all these people waiting to escape and then escaping
the fire. For only then could the requirement mentioned by the Times of
India's Bharat Desai be fulfilled. Yet overlooking all these obvious facts
Bharat Desai of Times of India is surprised that no one eye-witnesses is
there to testify that petrol was poured in near berth 72 of S-6? Bharat
Desai has overlooked all the above and also the fact that 59 people died in
the fire. The witness to this incident could have very well have been a
victim of it too.
Not undaunted by this extra-ordinary lack of common sense this Time of
India article goes a step forward in an attempt to further its baloney of
dubiousness. "Did some persons from the mob get inside the compartment with
the petrol and then set it on fire? If so, why didn't the Kar Sevaks resist
them" Besides, there should have been at least some eye-witnesses accounts
to suggest that they saw someone pouring petrol inside the boggie."
Well Bharat Desai, what can I say but open your eyes. The murder of a rape
victim entails that there is no eye-witness to the act of rape and murder,
but its does not mean that rape and murder did not take place. Similarly
here too people who saw the act could have very well perished in the same
fire.
In a desperate attempt to further this dubious thought process, the Times
of India article makes another attempt. But this time it even suggest what
could have been. The article questions suggestively, "Or, was the petrol
already inside the train when it halted at A-Cabin? If so, when did this
person (or a group of persons) get inside a compartment, brimming with
nearly 150 persons?"
The FSL report clearly and emphatically indicates that the vestibule
between S6, and S7 was cut open.
The sequence of events which the "Secular press of Secularisthan" does not
mention in their "Dailies from Secularabad", as mentioned by the
investigating agencies, are as follows:
a. At about 7:47 a.m. in the morning, the train started but was suddenly
brought to a halt as chains were pulled simultaneously from four
compartments since quite a few passengers were left behind.
b. At this time there was massive stone pelting on the train by a mob
which had collected inside the Railway platform near Signal Phalia. Some of
the kar-sevaks also tried to retaliate by stone pelting, but since they were
vastly out-numbered by the Muslims and since most of the kar-sevaks were
inside the compartments, the kar-sevaks boarded the train and closed the
doors and windows of their compartments.
c. At this juncture there was no aggression from the kar-sevaks as they
were all trying to protect themselves and were inside the closed compartment
of the train bogie. There was continuous stone pelting on the train bogies
going on.
d. The Railway staff set the Alarm Chain Pull Discs in the correct
position, and the train again started at 7:55 a.m. However as the train
moved and neared the "A" cabin of Godhra Railway Station, some 250 metres
away from the platform, there was a sudden drop in vaccum due to the turning
of two ACPs from S-5 and S-6, and it was brought to a sudden screeching
halt.
e. At this point of time, a mob well armed and well prepared was seen
running towards the train from the mosque side which is situated behind the
"A" cabin. Another mob was approaching the train from the Signal Phalia
side, but it was not as well prepared as the mob which approached the train
from the mosque side!
f. It is also been revealed during the course of the investigations that
as the train began to leave the platform after the first instance of chain p
ulling, a group of 10 Muslim criminals from Signal Phalia had collected 8
cannisters each of 20 litres capacity with petrol from the house of one of
the main accused namely Razzaq Karkar, situated in Signal Phalia.
g. Then they loaded it in a loading auto-rickshaw.
h. They then rushed towards the train from the mosque side behind Cabin
"A".
i. The train had almost stopped near Cabin "A" when these 10 persons in
loading rickshaw reached in an open space between the tracks and the mosque.
j. They got down from the rickshaw along with the petrol filled canisters,
few of them were well armed as well, and rushed towards the train.
k. The criminal plan was perfect. Even the driver of the train was
threatened by a mob which came from the mosque side to remain inside the
engine and not to set the ACPs right, so that the train cannot move, and
remain immobile.
l. Not only this but also to further ensure the train remain immobile one
of the above ten persons also damaged the hose pipes of one of the bogies.
m. The miscreants initially tried to set coach S2 on fire with the help
of 1 cannister and some rags, but did not succeed. In the meantime the mob
that had gathered resorted to heavy stone pelting on the train, especially
towards coaches S2 to S7.
n. The above mentioned 10 accused persons had gone near S6 and targeted
S6. The bogie S6 suffered damage due to the heavy pelting.
o. Attempted were made to break the windows with the help of iron rods and
pipes.
p. Since both the doors facing Signal Phalia were locked from inside, one
of the accused had cut open the strong canvas vestibule between S6 and S7,
with the help of a big knife that he was carrying. He, along with others had
then climbed up the footholds between S6 and S7 in the vestibule.
q. Since the door between the vestibule and S6 was closed they broke the
stopper by giving blows to it with their legs.
r. After it was opened, the third person first gave two canisters to them
after making big holes with the help of a sharp edged weapon near the mouth
of canisters and then himself also climbed with one cannister with holes.
s. After going into the compartment the third accused opened the closed
door of S6, which facilitated the entry of three more person out of the
above 10. They entered with more canisters.
t. They emptied the canisters into S6 with nearly 140 liters of petrol.
u. As a result of the pelting of the stone passengers inside had tried to
rush towards the front side (i.e. towards S5) away from S7 side.
v. Most of the passengers especially the ladies and children had either
climbed up the top berths or had slid beneath the lower berths within the
cubicles in order to save themselves. The rear portion of the coach S6 from
where the vestibule canvas was torn was almost empty.
w. With the remaining one canister the miscreants outside then sprinkled
the rags with petrol and after burning them had put them in S6 forcibly with
the help of lathis and rods, which ignited the petrol which was poured from
inside. This resulted in sudden fire that engulfed the entire bogie very
quickly resulting In the subsequent tragedy.
x. To ensure that maximum damage is done, and the people inside the train
die in large numbers there is evidence to the effect that the accused in
their evil state of mind even forcibly prevented fire-tenders from going to
the scene of the crime and save innocent lives.
y. A part of the mob had also attacked passengers who were trying to flee
to save their lives from the other side of the their compartment (opposite
Signal Phalia)
z. Thus the investigations clearly point that the crime of the accused has
been prima facie established on the following counts:
i. A core group of 20-25 criminals which formed the part of the mob as
well had perpetrated the actual crime of
- halting the train for the second time
- ensure that it remains halted and not start again
- break open the S6 vestibule door and entering S6
- arrange for the petrol, its transportation, pour the petrol
in the deserted side of the rear part of the S6 compartment.
- set the bogie on fire
ii. The FSL report strongly corroborates the investigative conclusions on
the following counts:
- Only petrol was used to set the bogie on fire.
- Point of origin of fire is from INSIDE the bogie towards the
rear (Berth No. 72 side) near the lavatories.
- Fire was sudden and throughout the compartment because of use of
petrol in huge quantity and its vaporization virtually turned the
compartment into a petrol bomb.
- Petrol was flooded from inside the compartment.
- More than 60 liters of petrol was used as has been concluded by
FSL
- Three doors of S6 were opened before it caught fire.
- Vestibule between S6 and S7 was cut open before the fire.
- Inspite of this conclusive scientific and forensic evidence in addition to
the investigations, the Asian Age dated 05-07-2002 states in an article
written by Anil Nair titled, "Godhra forensic report raises questions". In
that article it is mentioned, "Investigating officials are yet to find out
the exact source of the petrol used in the incident though an initial
investigation did prove that it was not stolen or procured from the closest
petrol pump or garages in advance." This procurement of petrol has been
established as being got in a pre-planned manner in a loading auto-rickshaw
in huge quantity. The Asian Age without knowing facts and data speculates
and even passes a judgment on basis of an investigating official
(incognito). Hear-se at its best.
This shows how the media covers up major points, overlooks facts, and
twists and turns and adds spin to facts, makes spurious stories overlooking
the truth. After all who cares public memory is short, and jungle mei moor n
aacha kisne dekhaa?

Sumit
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Re: Dear Mr Killer Modi.
«on: 08/19/02 at 07:14:45 »

Mr DSB, please donot simply copy paste from any news paper or magazine, just give the link, otherwise you take a lots of useless space in this forum.

Do you people have any shame ?? You [b] PSEUDO RELIGIOUS [/b] fanatics have hijacked religion and used it to murder or rape innocents. Now you are trying to justify your act of carnage.

You Shameless brutes are now crying to have election in the state as early as possible because for you "Every Day Lost Is A Hindutva Vote Lost."

By the way here are some links.
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Shanti Abhiyan and PUCL (People’s Union For Civil Liberties), two Baroda-based organisations have been following the vernacular press as well as the English newspapers to analyse news reportage throughout this period.

See, how you have used media to spread your dirt, how you have manipulated textbooks to implant hatered in young minds.
http://www.gujaratcarnage.com/html/documents/SpReport9.htm

Hear for Yourself, How your leaders said " It had to be done "
http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/mar/12train.htm

You may visit the The National Centre For Advocacy Studies (NCAS) website http://www.ncasindia.org/
If you wish, you can read the article on "The Survivors speak : How has Gujarat Massacre affected Minority Women." Read for yourself how your Trained cadres has shown respect to Women in the name of religion.

Never mind, everything suits your ideology.

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