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A reply to Himdri On Chinese Economy
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05/27/02 at 11:34:13 » |
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In reponse to your question I would draw your attention to the structural features of China’s economy as enshrined in the Constitution of China. But then if you wish to argue that China has moved away from what is enshrined here that would not be corroborated by the reality. So I would maintain China adopted a quite eclectic mix of Capitalism under the principles of socialist democracy, which ensures full political and economic freedom within socialist State of China. This structure of the State is unbreachable.
So what you have written is largely how the western media projects the state of China’s economy, which is very different from China’s indigene policy prescriptions and it’s implementations. If that ensures good productivity and foreign trade Chinese govt. and people seem to be happy and they hardly care for what is dictated by IMF and World bank. I hope this would clarify my position.
I cite the following articles from Chinese Constitution ad verbatim:
Article 7. The state economy is the sector of socialist economy under ownership by the whole people; it is the leading force in the national economy. The state ensures the consolidation and growth of the state economy.
Article 8. Rural people's communes, agricultural producers' co-operatives, and other forms of co- operative economy such as producers' supply and marketing, credit and consumers co-operatives, belong to the sector of socialist economy under collective ownership by the working people. Working people who are members of rural economic collectives have the right, within the limits prescribed by law, to farm private plots of cropland and hilly land, engage in household sideline production and raise privately owned livestock. The various forms of co-operative economy in the cities and towns, such as those in the handicraft, industrial, building, transport, commerical and service trades, all belong to the sector of socialist economy under collective ownership by the working people. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the urban and rural economic collectives and encourages, guides and helps the growth of the collective economy.
Article 9. Mineral resources, waters, forests, mountains, grassland, unreclaimed land, beaches and other natural resources are owned by the state, that is, by the whole people, with the exception of the forests, mountains, grassland, unreclaimed land and beaches that are owned by collectives in accordance with the law. The state ensures the rational use of natural resources and protects rare animals and plants. The appropriation or damage of natural resources by any organization or individual by whatever means is prohibited.
Article 10. Land in the cities is owned by the state. Land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by collectives except for those portions which belong to the state in accordance with the law; house sites and private plots of cropland and hilly land are also owned by collectives. The state may in the public interest take over land for its use in accordance with the law. No organization or individual may appropriate, buy, sell or lease land, or unlawfully transfer land in other ways. All organizations and individuals who use land must make rational use of the land.
Article 11. The individual economy of urban and rural working people, operated within the limits prescribed by law, is a complement to the socialist public economy. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the individual economy. The state guides, helps and supervises the individual economy by exercising administrative control.
Article 14. The state continuously raises labour productivity, improves economic results and develops the productive forces by enhancing the enthusiasm of the working people, raising the level of their technical skill, disseminating advanced science and technology, improving the systems of economic administration and enterprise operation and management, instituting the socialist system of responsibility in various forms and improving organization of work. The state practises strict economy and combats waste. The state properly apportions accumulation and consumption, pays attention to the interests of the collective and the individual as well as of the state and, on the basis of expanded production, gradually improves the material and cultural life of the people.
Article 15. The state practises economic planning on the basis of socialist public ownership. It ensures the proportionate and co-ordinated growth of the national economy through overall balancing by economic planning and the supplementary role of regulation by the market. Disturbance of the orderly functioning of the social economy or disruption of the state economic plan by any organization or individual is prohibited.
Article 16. State enterprises have decision-making power in operation and management within the limits prescribed by law, on condition that they submit to unified leadership by the state and fulfil all their obligations under the state plan. State enterprises practise democratic management through congresses of workers and staff and in other ways in accordance with the law.
Article 17. Collective economic organizations have decision-making power in conducting independent economic activities, on condition that they accept the guidance of the state plan and abide by the relevant laws. Collective economic organizations practise democratic management in accordance with the law, with the entire body of their workers electing or removing their managerial personnel and deciding on major issues concerning operation and management.
Article 18. The People's Republic of China permits foreign enterprises, other foreign economic organizations and individual foreigners to invest in China and to enter into various forms of economic co-operation with Chinese enterprises and other economic organizations in accordance with the law of the People's Republic of China. All foreign enterprises and other foreign economic organizations in China, as well as joint ventures with Chinese and foreign investment located in China, shall abide by the law of the People's Republic of China. Their lawful rights and interests are protected by the law of the People's Republic of China.
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Re: A reply to Himadri On Chinese Economy
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05/27/02 at 15:18:35 » |
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What you quoted maybe pages off of Chinese constitution and no one disagrees that the constitution has all the socialist ideals enshrined in it, but if you look at the reality, things are sharply divergent from those tenets.
My statements on the dismantling of agricultural communes in China and their replacement with family ownership of land through long term land leases known as the "household responsibility system", are derived from Communist Party dictats that were again reaffirmed formally in the third plenum of the central committee in October of 1998.Thirty year leases were ratified in this plenum.
By voting for the etablishment of Private enterprise, in the 15th congress of the communist party in September of 1997, the direction of the Chinese economy was altered for good.This plan was ratified without a hitch in the National People's Congress in March of 1998.It was just a ratification of the general direction of policies being pursued for more then a decade by the Chinese government.
But all these economic freedom on capitalist lines are allowed as long as the free entrerprises do not meddle in the political arena, which is still a bastion of communist style repression and abuses of human rights.Muzzling of any political dissent with the same ruthlessness that crystallized in Tiananmen square in 1989, is still the order of the day in China as far as political rights are concerned.
Anyway, since this topic is way out of line from anything related to Silchar, I don't think its the right forum to go at length on this one.If you want we can take this offline and discuss it through emails. |
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take my advice
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Re: A reply to Himdri On Chinese Economy
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05/31/02 at 15:04:51 » |
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I really think this discussion should be carried on via personal mails...cos this Mr. Prasenjit is hell bent on stuffing our heads with Communism. Gosh........give us a break, Prasenjit. Its really a pain ......to read your longggggggggg messages about Chinese economy . Better save them for your students. We need some fresh air here .
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fresh air
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Re: fresh air or fresh fire?
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06/01/02 at 03:49:40 » |
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Yes fresh air for you are coming from Gujrat or the LOC with Pakistan. Also it may come from morning drills of kachhawalas.
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For Himadri
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Re: A reply to Himdri On Chinese Economy
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06/03/02 at 09:10:23 » |
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Himadri, you are busy to prove whether chinese economy is worse or something else, you give your well judged remarks to so many things in this message board. Have you ever dared to protest the nasty kind of messages of hate that are being propagated in this Maha adda???
Why are you silent when someone called 'musafir' advocates in favor of burning pregnant women alive in the Topic "Muslim Women & Children Burned Alive", why are you silent when such people had been advocating for mass murders or mass killings of other community repeteadly for the last few days?
I don't know you, but i read your postings with attention because I thought you to be a reasonable person who expresses his ideas strongly. Now where does your courage to protest go?
If you think that what they are doing is right, It should be like that only.. Then I have nothing to say.
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Re: A reply to Himdri On Chinese Economy
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06/03/02 at 12:52:48 » |
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I don't join in any shouting matches, and those threads that you mentioned are nothing but insane shouting matches which are only based on how abusive one can get, rather then trying to be logical.I come to this forum and present my views on some of the discussions that interest me, and not to protest anything.I don't feel that there are any discussions whatsoever happening on those threads that you mentioned, as those are just nasty competitions on who can hurl more abuses then the other and get the medal of honour for insanity.That's not my cup of tea and so I refrain from joining or commenting on any of those types of threads. |
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For Himadri.
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Re: A reply to Himdri On Chinese Economy
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06/03/02 at 22:57:42 » |
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Thanks Himadri for your views. And Thanks Admin for deleting that insane posting.
Himadri, I believe the thread "Thousand of Hindus fleeing Bangladesh" was started by you. It was in that thread calls for " Mass Murders" were given repeatedly for the last few days.
Can we assume some form of responsibility from you as you were the originator of that thread ?
You highlighted a burning problem in that topic, you spoke in favor of truth, people gave their opinions there. Now, that some insane monsters are commiting criminal offence by openly calling for mass murders of another community, should you turn a blind eye??
They may not have any social responsibility as they are terminally ill psychopaths, but can you now sidline your responsibility as the originator of that topic and say 'that's not my cup of tea' ?
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Re: A reply to Himdri On Chinese Economy
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06/04/02 at 09:06:47 » |
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Yes, I did open that thread quite a while back but I am not any kind of moderator for this message board, to filter what is being posted on the thread.I quit that thread long time back after I saw that the discussion was veering towards an abusive rant.I am not the law enforcement authority around here.As the originator of the thread, I contributed to it by presenting my views till I felt that the discussion was not worthwhile for me to waste any more time.Its not my responsibility to keep insane people away from this message board.How can I be accountable for what someone else says ? If you have any grievances about any messages then please take it up with the admin.
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whatever u feel like
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Re: fresh air or fresh fire?
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06/07/02 at 13:50:49 » |
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[quote author=fresh air link=board=0011&num=1022517254&start=0#3 date=06/01/02 at 03:49:40]
Yes fresh air for you are coming from Gujrat or the LOC with Pakistan. Also it may come from morning drills of kachhawalas.
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whether i am fresh air or fresh fire or fresh water, thats not a matter of debate here, u fool! thats ur problem if u r so concerned about my identity. everyone has a right to talk here, and nowhere is it written that if i want to post a message, my name should be fresh fire instead of fresh air. |
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